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Prier Archangel Administrative Priestess. NUCLEAR SUB WEEEOOOO Level: 119  Posts: 5667/8392 EXP: 18790939 For next: 138352 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima Dist. - Tokyo, Japan Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| Who said he was being sarcastic and who says he doesn't have a point? The tone you're taking is making this whole sex ed thing look like a first grader that spelled out the word gun and that we're doomed by all thanks to it. Considering the fact that people would be going into their teenage years right around that time and considering the responsibility that goes with that, it'd be quite logical to at least give them an idea of WHAT they're doing so that they know what to do and what not to do. If you've forgotten that VITAL detail then you really have no clue what you're speaking of. Why do you think they always have those don't smoke or don't do drugs commercials anyways? Information. Having sex ed, even for little kids, is like that because it's also the same deal here. You're not really giving them an opening for bad bad things that will oh so happen thanks to that, you're giving them the opportunity to see what they'll do about it with what they're given. Eventually, they're going to find out anyways and I rather have some trusted school or myself do that then someone else that might not be so trustworthy. If nothing else, it's not like they're teaching them position form 296 from the goddamn Kama Sutra. If they were then I'd be worried but I really don't think most administrations have the time for it. |
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HGanon Red Paragoomba Level: 12 Posts: 46/59 EXP: 7041 For next: 880 Since: 03-06-05 Since last post: 104 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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| Don't I have a point that it's a parent's responsibility, and not some school's? That's the point that everyone else is missing. That's what this thread was originally about. And furthermore, if kids know how to have sex, then odds are they know enough to use protection. How do you think they learned how to have sex in the first place? They probably saw it on T.V., or in music. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 3393/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Or by the thing dangling beneath their knees that gives them inherent hormonal impulses. And parents are about as competent as teachers in teaching their children important things. You're missing the point. Nobody else. |
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HGanon Red Paragoomba Level: 12 Posts: 47/59 EXP: 7041 For next: 880 Since: 03-06-05 Since last post: 104 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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| You still haven't told me WHAT the point is. That teachers are better than parents at explaining things? You're still completly ignoring me. Parents are responsible for teaching these things to their kids, no one else. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3398/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I really wish that there was a suicide emoticon. This thread is too damn circular. If anyone wants it reopened. PM/IM me. Re-opened on request. (edited by Ziffski on 03-27-05 09:28 PM) |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 1357/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| Parents are responsible for teaching these things to their kids, no one else. That's an opinion. Opinions like this shouldn't be used in the government, GET THAT RIGHT. What should be used? STATISTICS. Sex-ed stops a LOT of premarital sex, there's no doubting that. So if you don't like your kid being taught it, he isn't forced to view the stuff, you can write your child a note to get him out of it. Exhibit B: I was just disgusted to hear from a middle-aged woman how the female sex organs work. The girls were even more disgusted to see the male anatomy. If parents were to explain it, then it might be easier for kids to handle. I can't imaging you being scarred for life because of it. You need to know some things. ;D IT'S CALLED A PENIS. |
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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82  Posts: 2049/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| *cracks knuckles* Alright, let's see what I can do here... Hey, HGanon! When i was in 9th grade, I took a health class. I remember one of the coolest and most informative lessons we had was when we were all handed index cards with steps for putting on, using, and removing a condom. Each person had to stand in a line, and the correct order had to be displayed in order for a team (as we were divided into two teams: one set of directions for each) to win. Guess who won? Nobody. Because none of us were ever taught how to put a condom on. I told my parents about this incident, and asked them why condoms were never discussed in the rather short and reiterated conversation we had several months before about the "birds and the bees". They didn't have an answer for me. You'd be amazed how complicated the damn things are. And I can tell you, phallic displays in television are strictly prohibited by the FCC, educational or otherwise. And music? I'm pretty sure there isn't a single Emo song that involves telling someone how to practice birth control. And I KNOW most forms of Rap and R&B don't even mention it when they're talking about their rites of passion. Can you picture it? I would love to see some R&B Lyrics that involve contraceptives: "Gonna *&^% you so hard, it'll make you ill, Just hope you remembered to take your pill, babe. We'll do it all night, til up comes da sun, (da sun!) But without that condom, there ain't gonna be no fun (no funnnnnnnn!)" Yeah. Fucking informative. #1 hit single, right? |
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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67  Posts: 1651/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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Originally posted by HGanon The issue is not who is better at explaining things, but rather, who will get the information. Are you suggesting that we make a law where parents are required to teach their kids sex ed? Parents are uncomfortable enough addressing this. Besides, the probability that all parents are informed enough is extremely low. However, it is required for kids to go to school by law until they reach a certain age. There is certainly no way that is more efficient and effective as educating in this fashion. As windwaker has stated, the effectiveness comes in the form of statistics - std/aids prevention, prevention of unwanted pregnancies (yes, many people think they won't get pregnant for whatever ignorant reason). Wouldn't you say that saving lives, and preventing unwanted children (who are likely to be aborted or born into poverty) outweighs this thing you've made up called "the parents' right to do sex education"? Then again, you could argue that this whole business just causes more people to have sex. However, I do believe that if a parent wants a child to turn out a certain way, they will set the moral compass on that. Sex education doesn't encourage you to have sex, it just tries to make you informed in the case that you will. If anything, sex education scares the crap out of me. Originally posted by HGanon First of all, to see actual sex happening, they'd have to be looking at porno. Second, the portion of porn that uses condoms is so low as to be nonexistent. In addition, almost no shows on normal TV exhibit the use of condoms while having pseudo sex, i.e. basically softcore dry humping with little to no frontal nudity. TV does not care about teaching you sex ed. There are, however, some shows that do go into details of this sort, such as Sue's sex show on Oxygen (don't ask, I hang around a lot of females), and my messy bedroom on Free Speech TV. Originally posted by HGanon Isn't that "telling people the right way to have sexual intercourse" as you stated a dislike for in your very first post? You're obviously opposed to 'sodomy' but what about lesbianism? Is that okay b/c it's hot or something? Either way, you're arguing that sex ed shouldn't even mention homosexuality b/c the act is viewed as wrong by a majority of religions. But it is not the job of the state to impose those religious opinions onto all its citizens. You may say, well why do we even bother having laws then? B/c the majority of laws are designed to protect people, whereas homosexuality in and of itself does no overt harm to anybody. You are forgetting that parents have far greater sway over the minds of their children than the school system. Most children will grow up to have the political mindset of their parents. Most children will have very similar views on other issues, unless there is a split between the parents. My parents are split on the abortion issue, so for a long time I had a hard time talking to them about it, lest I offend one or the other. Suing teachers/professors for that stuff sounds reasonable, Or for even worse things like that professor who called for more terrorist attacks on people... You think it's acceptable to sue someone b/c of the opinion they have? The laws being considered deal with disciplining professors who treat students with differing opinions unfairly. Which, I agree is acceptable b/c it qualifies as harassment. Btw, which professor "called for more terrorist attacks on people"? I did some googling and I found no such comments, though in the paper in the past month or two there have been some articles on how a certain professor published a paper suggesting that the September 11th victims were part of the Bush administrations plan to take over the Muslim world, and he foolishly compared them to a part of the Nazi party, I forget what the german word was though. But what you have stated is just insane, and probably an exaggeration of some other story. Nobody has the balls (and hopefully the viewpoint) to say something like that. (edited by MathOnNapkins on 03-27-05 11:10 PM) (edited by MathOnNapkins on 03-27-05 11:40 PM) |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 8618/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67 Posts: 1654/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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The SomerZ Summer, yay! Level: 45  Posts: 667/862 EXP: 618182 For next: 41982 Since: 03-15-04 From: Norway Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 3 hours |
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| Sorry for adressing an issue that you all kind of buried in this debate, but I've been away, so I've had no chance to speak before now: Why are young homosexuals overrepresented on suicide statistics? Because they have to face harrassment and abuse in their day-to-day life. How do you battle this? Not by not talking about homosexuality in school, as this will make homosexuality out to be something strange, different, and thus dangerous, and definitely not by teaching that homosexuality is something wrong and sinfull in the eyes of God, but rather by teaching tolerance and openness, and making kids learn that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, people will need to be educated before they can be open and tolerant about something, and openness and tolerance is needed to have equality. Oh, and is homosexuality really an affront to God? The dogma of most churches teaches that only thos things in the old testament that were confirmed by Jesus Christ are rules for Christians to live by. Jesus never said anything about homosexuality being a sin, he did, however, preach tolerance and love of all of mankind. |
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Gavin Fuzzy Rhinoceruses don't play games. They fucking charge your ass. Level: 43  Posts: 574/799 EXP: 551711 For next: 13335 Since: 03-15-04 From: IL, USA Since last post: 13 hours Last activity: 13 hours |
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Originally posted by HGanon I've never had too much blatant propoganda outside of middle school in the discussion on drugs mostly. Pretty much half of the information they gave us about drugs was misleading scare-tactics. HGanon, i'd really love to hear these conversations first-hand, because its impossible to tell if it's just your own personal igorant knee-jerk reaction or a legitimate case of some ultra-super propgranda conspiracy. i've never been told by a teacher "no no, you're doing it all wrong, this is the right position for sex."  They teach the basics of anatomy and the very much necessary and natural human life cycle, from conception to birth.Originally posted by HGanon wow, way go retard. you do realize that stupid bullshit lawsuits over things like this are what scare teachers and other organizations/officials into using that "politically correct" speach that you hate so much. They get scared because fucking idiots like you come out of the woodwork about how they phrased such and such term or why they didn't include jesus trees in the cafateria or for 1,000,000 stupid reasons. Originally posted by HGanon no, no you don't. Raising kids is the parents jobs. Morals, ethics, dscipline, religion/spirituality. That's sacred parenting ground. Teachers are just there to teach. How do you think they learned to have sex? "Oh it's that damn TV, it's that damn music." Yah, i call bullshit in the first degree. A rapper says "i want to get all up in you, ho". That's not learning about sex, that's one man's brief vulgar description of a sexual encounter. That's not learning, that's trashing your brain. actually, it makes sense.. it's probably where you learn all your facts And what's all this talk of "odds are" ??? What the fuck?? You're exactly right, it is a game of odds, but being plaid out on an extremely large scale. Millions of children (accurate number or not, go with me on this) in schools, and you're saying "well, i guess it's really not that important if they get STD's or get pregnant early anyway". That whole attitude is basically, "well, fuckit". When it's on such a large scale, think about it, one tenth of a percentage point higher of children who practice safe sex could save thousands of lives from ruin from pregnancy or some other bad occurance. But i guess we'll just wing it on this one, eh? Everyone who thinks like that deserves teen-pregnancy or aids.Originally posted by HGanon what's horrible is the thought that you will someday, in 50-60 years maybe, become an adult. Oh shit, what's even worse than that is the fact that you can vote.. i feel like crying. |
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