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HGanon Red Paragoomba Level: 12 Posts: 21/59 EXP: 7041 For next: 880 Since: 03-06-05 Since last post: 104 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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| Here's a new debate: Propaganda in schools. What's your opinion on it? I for one HATE it. It's not fair to the kids-and their parents- to hear from complete strangers what's what in today's world. Especially seeing how it's always liberal. (no offense) Why can't teachers just teach both sides, and let the students make up their own mind, or just not discuss these topics in the first place? Do kids really need to hear form their schools: 'the right way to have sexual intercourse'? That 'one cigarette can kill you'? That 'the Iraq war is wrong'? When I was in school, they used to have TONS of polItically correct propaganda. In health class, all they did was speak to us about how 1 cigarette can kill you. How one beer can kill you. Then they would pass around papers of Joe Camel all sick from smoking, for us to color. But today it's worse. Awhile ago, my brother's teacher told their class that if they had a chance, then they should help illegal immigrants enter the country! They're telling students to break the law. It's outrageous. |
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Tamarin Calanis We exist. Earth exists. The universe exists. Do we really need to know why? Level: 59 Posts: 391/1802 EXP: 1672751 For next: 377 Since: 07-12-04 From: The gas station on the corner... Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Well. With all my complaints about the local school systems, I gotta give them credit for one thing. They never had any teachers forcing opinions on others. They did have teachers attempting to stifle any intelligent discussion of political issues, but that's not that bad. School is for teaching. Not for raising kids, not for playing games, not for teaching what's right and wrong. It is for teaching the facts, and nothing else. At least, that's what it's supposed to be for. Where did the school system lose sight of that? |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 3328/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| I'm sick and tired of hearing conservative BS being spewed at me from my teachers. OMG. THEY SHOULD ALL DIE! THEIR VIEW POINTS ARE TOTAL PROPOGANDA! The second part of that was a joke. The first part is not. I put up with teachers telling me that since my family isn't well to do we should be allowed to live in squalor. That since my family came from a region that was seen as "savage" during the first part of the last century it was all right for the Canadian government to do what it did. I have to put up with teachers telling me that my beliefs are wrong. I have to put up with teachers making insuations about my friends religions and their sexual preferences being wrong. I have to put with teachers calling abortion murder. Daily. And yet I don't complain. I bear it stoically realizing that they are indeed showing me their beliefs and I refute them if it comes to discussion. Of course, accepting things requires maturity. In class, we're given discussion periods in order to let our views out in the open and talk with our teachers and hone real world skills. You know, like dealing with people with differing view points. Something that I do off board exceedingly well. Edit:: Anyways, the thread title is kind of not fitting to what the discussion is going to become. I hereby change it to "Beliefs and the school" (edited by Ziffski on 03-24-05 04:53 PM) |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 1336/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| That 'the Iraq war is wrong'? That's not propoganda.  I've been told some serious conservative BS. A teacher a while ago put propoganda in our math problems, like a "countdown to Bush winning the election", before it was over. Awhile ago, my brother's teacher told their class that if they had a chance, then they should help illegal immigrants enter the country! I wouldn't believe that for a second. That's either a giant exagerration, or just a lie. |
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Book Keeper ♫♫♫ n00blet ♫♫♫  Level: 21 Posts: 98/160 EXP: 49435 For next: 508 Since: 03-15-04 From: Wired Bookworm eat fresh! Since last post: 20 hours Last activity: 8 hours |
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| (most public schools) They never had any teachers forcing opinions on others. The teachers don't have to do it, but they do. Everything in your text books are trying to get you to start thinking that their world view is correct. It is for teaching the facts, and nothing else. True, but they always try to tell you whats right from wrong, even when you don't see what they are doing. Where did the school system lose sight of that? When they brought Evalution in to the schools, is when they lost sight of there morals. Edit: I challange you to try to find out what my belifes are? (edited by Vampire on 03-24-05 11:38 PM) (edited by Vampire on 03-25-05 03:12 PM) |
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Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42  Posts: 520/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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| Vampire - I infer that you're referring to evolutionary biology, as I've never heard anyone claim that evaluating functions in math class was OMFG TEH SATAN. However, I've seen evolution maligned about umpty bazillion times in this manner, and I've never come across a satisfactory rationale for said maligning, so perhaps someone can enlighten me. Evolution is defined as change in the genetic makeup of populations over time. Evolutionary theory explains what causes these changes. How is using biology class time to teach the study of a process known to occur in populations of lifeforms in any way, shape, or form relevant to losing sight of morals? | |||
Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82  Posts: 2035/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| OMG man i red this nad now i hat evolushun. Jesus holds teh atom 2gether. http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp But seriously people, I think the worst thing we can do while on the subject of religious debate in schools is to publish articles like this from outside sources. If you take a close look at his asterisks, they're all from antievolutionist sources. When it comes to beliefs in schools, we need to keep away from documents like this, which are biased and uneducated. I would much rather suggest a course of action that includes views from both sides or perhaps a melting together of them. That said, I also have an english teacher who enjoys forcing her views on people. She points constantly to unnecessary symbolism in novels, and focuses on points that hold very little interest for the rest of the class. I've tried time and again to argue my views with her, but her reigning argument is usually that she is the teacher and I am the student. My questions are thus rendered useless. I dislike it. |
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Tamarin Calanis We exist. Earth exists. The universe exists. Do we really need to know why? Level: 59 Posts: 393/1802 EXP: 1672751 For next: 377 Since: 07-12-04 From: The gas station on the corner... Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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Originally posted by Vampire What? Okay, first, you have no fucking clue what school I went to, nor do you know which textbooks we used. Second, the only time we ever really used our textbooks anyway was in Math class (and before you say anything moronic about that, the word problems were dealing with stuff like the perimiter of a sandbox) or for reading Julius Caesar in English.
Again, I must point out that you have no fucking clue what school I went to, and therefore have no fucking clue what the teachers did. Yes, you've irritated me just a little bit with your uninformed blanket statement.
Shut up already. That is one of the most moronic things I've ever heard anyone say in a debate forum, ranking right up there with "all millitaries are corrupt" (which wasn't at this board).
I'm gonna resist the obvious personal attack here. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3337/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| The simple thing is that there are classes for discussing these issues, like law and religions. Then there are classes where we don't have to, where we learn just the straight, objective facts. Like biology, chemistry, physics, mathematics. | |||
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HGanon Red Paragoomba Level: 12 Posts: 22/59 EXP: 7041 For next: 880 Since: 03-06-05 Since last post: 104 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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Originally posted by windwaker Take it up with my brother then. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3340/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| What context was the class being presented in? Did the teacher just come in and go "Hi class, meet Rodriguez and Jai-Chun Wai. They are illegal immigrants I smuggled in from Mexico and South Korea. You should all bring an illegal immigrant into the USA for your homework assignment. The more annoying and less work friendly they are the higher your mark!". Or was he talking about something else? | |||
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HGanon Red Paragoomba Level: 12 Posts: 23/59 EXP: 7041 For next: 880 Since: 03-06-05 Since last post: 104 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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| 'sigh'... Let's just put that aside. I think that we can all agree that teachers should not be 'preaching' but rather teaching. Right? |
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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67  Posts: 1647/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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Well, if we someday get creationism in public school like many of the christian right want, teachers will, in fact, be preaching. |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 8868/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| Propaganda in school? Beliefs in school? Whatever, the school I goto is a open forum of debates. Sure the teachers have their personal opinions but most of them tries to even have a small debates over certain things. We had anti-drug campaigns, but that's obvious since they are a problem, and it's not like cigarettes makes you healthy eh? ...how common is sexual education over in US? It's obligatory in Sweden, and always takes Bisexuality and Homosexuality as something ok. You know, I almost never seen talk against Evolution in Sweden. And we're supposed to visit the church quite often.  |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3343/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| HGanon. Soon you will be able to sue every single teacher that says anything you don't like. Especially things that are like "socialism isn't inherentely bad" or "America has been responsible for instigating genocide more than once, and standing complacently while freedoms have been undermined". http://www.alligator.org/pt2/050323freedom.php |
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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82 Posts: 2042/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| What if it becomes illegal for teachers to point out hypocrisy in America? Wouldn't that be getting kinda Orwellian? | |||
Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 8586/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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Originally posted by Kitten Yiffer We had a theme week with sexual education at my school a while ago. We also had two homosexuals visiting us. They were pretty nice to talk to.  A guy at our school used drugs so he got kicked out.We also have anti-mobbing rules. And we |
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HGanon Red Paragoomba Level: 12 Posts: 24/59 EXP: 7041 For next: 880 Since: 03-06-05 Since last post: 104 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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Originally posted by Ziffski Suing teachers/professors for that stuff sounds reasonable, Or for even worse things like that professor who called for more terrorist attacks on people... But it looks like this bill would allow students to sue for pretty much everything. Today's kids are big troublemakers, and might start filing lawsuits for every stupid thing, or just be a jerk. Trapster: So people's tax money was used to have a week dedicated to studying all forms of sex, and have a couple of gays show up!? Was this a college/school? Did any of the parents know about this? I don't see why states, and towns don't step up and do anything about it. Do parents really want fifth graders to be taught how to have sex? That homo-sexuality is normal? Probably not, but most figure schools should take that problem off of their hands. School's are barely even schools anymore. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3361/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Jesus Christ, Ganon. Ask him the facts before making your assumptions! He is in high school, he is older than you are. "I don't see why states, and towns don't step up and do anything about it. Do parents really want fifth graders to be taught how to have sex? That homo-sexuality is normal? Probably not, but most figure schools should take that problem off of their hands. School's are barely even schools anymore. " ONOES NOT EQUALITY. SOON THE JEWS WILL HAVE IT! This is in a high school. Where they are not being taught how to have sex, but are being taught safe-sex practises, and various ways of staying healthy if they CHOOSE to have sexual relations. And they are being taught that the LBGT community is not so different from everyone else. In fact, other than what goes on in the bedroom, I'm going to say that 99% of that community could walk around the streets on any summer day, and you'd never see anything different about them. Nope, schools are doing what school are supposed to do, as you so put it. Teach the facts, not a belief system. |
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HGanon Red Paragoomba Level: 12 Posts: 26/59 EXP: 7041 For next: 880 Since: 03-06-05 Since last post: 104 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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| Actually I'm 2 years older than him. If schools are gonna teach sex-something you learn by instinct-then they shoud teach it the correct way: 1 man 1 woman. Nothing else. |
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