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Apophis Red Super Koopa Level: 45 Posts: 401/882 EXP: 640255 For next: 19909 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 15 hours Last activity: 15 hours |
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Originally posted by iamhiro1112 Then Nesticle is automatically ruled out, because it doesn't have any. |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 8929/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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Nesticle runs quite amazingly fast on a 486 even, then it's far from being the most accurate emulator and the sound it makes is awful. That's what you get when it takes shortcuts to be fast...  And oh, that 486 is around 33-40 mhz or something. Yes it does run full speed. No FPS loss at all...  Still kinda sad how many homebrewn ROM sites out there that still recomends Nesticle thought.  Since I downloaded FCEUXD, I have used it as main emulator. Lovely how it's just enough to look at the hex data for me, and I find things very quickly. I cheated my way through a certain buggy hack. I wish every emulator was like FCEUXD... (edited by Kitten Yiffer on 03-27-05 11:22 PM) |
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iamhiro1112 Armos Level: 35  Posts: 290/487 EXP: 259927 For next: 20009 Since: 03-27-04 From: sd Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 7 days |
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| Uh,well, u know what I mean. Anyway, are there any more emulators for use in hacking? | |||
Googie Surarok Level: 39  Posts: 323/624 EXP: 380784 For next: 23987 Since: 03-15-04 From: Corona Queens New York Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| Anyone that uses Nesticle has to be on some drugs! *puts out Ganja* Seriously, I hated that emulator then & I hate it to this day. If anyone still uses Nesticle REPENT FOR YOUR SINS! And how do you repent? Ask Bbitmaster for forgivness & use FCEUXD! Only then will you be clean of the Nestic sin...  |
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Setzer Popo Level: 36  Posts: 145/532 EXP: 290182 For next: 17928 Since: 04-22-04 From: Not Florida. because I'm going to sink it. Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 48 min. |
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| Myster Mask, I do not approve of your post. *I* Happen to be on some drugs. and I don't use NESticle. How dare you accuse us drug users of such a vile act. see me in court bitch. >=[ you made the coffee too damn hot. | |||
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Googie Surarok Level: 39 Posts: 325/624 EXP: 380784 For next: 23987 Since: 03-15-04 From: Corona Queens New York Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by Skiffles Okay fine, I'll hire Johnnie. (edited by Myster Mask on 03-27-05 11:46 PM) |
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Heran_Bago Rat Level: 15  Posts: 7/91 EXP: 13080 For next: 3304 Since: 03-20-05 From: Newtrogic High Zone Since last post: 8 days Last activity: 1 day |
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| Oh yeah! I completely forgot Genesyst. It was a great genesis emulator at the time, and the first with debugging. DOES NOT work with Windows XP. | |||
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Xkeeper The required libraries have not been defined. Level: NAN  Posts: -2247/-863 EXP: NAN For next: 0 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: -753366 sec. |
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| I honestly don't see why everyone thinks NESticle is so damn bad. It's still the fastest (by far) emulator out there, supports real-time CHR-ROM editing... Granted, it's not the best (far from it) but it's not satan-spawn either. If I had a choice between NESticle or FCEUxD on my TC300 (if it was still here  ) I would definitely pick NESticle, simply because FCEU (even the non-debug version) runs slower than shit. |
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Setzer Popo Level: 36 Posts: 146/532 EXP: 290182 For next: 17928 Since: 04-22-04 From: Not Florida. because I'm going to sink it. Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 48 min. |
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| I don't have a personal grudge against NESticle. It's just something to bash. I like to bash things. Nesticle sucks and should not be placed on the list. because i doubt the person who placed it on that list has tried more than 3 different emulators | |||
Dish Spiny Level: 38 Posts: 309/596 EXP: 355646 For next: 14801 Since: 03-15-04 From: Disch Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 18 days |
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Originally posted by Xkeeper Have you used it?  It's a poor emulator -- in every sense of the word. It gets far more attention than it deserves. 8 years ago before anything better was available, yes it was the best thing since sliced bread, but nowadays it doesn't even begin to hold a candle to the many alternatives. It'd be like if I were to still use the very early SNES9x builds (I'm talking the REALLY early ones, like when it first came out). Nowadays, people would be like "What are you using that sack of crap for? It's totally inferior to newer SNES9x and ZSNES." And they'd be right. Back in the day that early SNES9x build was the shit... because that's all there really was (I forget if ZSNES came out first or not -- but snes9x was the first one I got working). Nowadays, there's alternatives which are far superior, and it really shines a light on how shitty the early SNES9x was. Same deal with NESticle. Sure, back in the day it was the shit -- but that was only really because it was all that was available. Nowadays pretty much every major emu out there is so far beyond superior it's unbelievable. So why do people still use NESticle? Who knows -- it still baffles me. It really does make absolutly no sense. Bottom line is: NESticle is a piece of shit. No it's not the spawn of Satan or whatever, but it certainly is not an emulator worth your time. Recommending a completely shitty emulator to people who are just starting out -- or to people that don't know any better is what's so horrible. Not only does it do them a complete disservice, but it also perpetuates the problem. Originally posted by Xkeeper Its speed is its one saving grace. But of course it's easier to be quick when you do a poor job at emulating .But yeah -- this is the ONLY excuse for someone using NESticle -- and even you could only put it in the hypothetical. In reality, by now pretty much everyone has a machine that can run a better emulator. Doubly-true for people who would be into ROM hacking.
I suppose it's a nice novelty or toy. It may even be a semi-useful tool for newbies who want to make naked mario hacks. But really -- Paint and a real tile editor are far more powerful/useful. It's way easier to draw out a blueprint of the screen in paint (an actual drawing program with drawing tools -- you know, something actually designed for this kind of thing), then import the graphics to the ROM with a tile editor. Best of all this technique works for EVERY game. Not just CHR-ROM games which NESticle has the good fortune of being able to run. And it works for all on-screen tiles -- not just the tiles that are swapped in at the start of the frame (or whenever NESticle updates its CHR-ROM editor). Games that swap out CHR mid-frame (which are pretty common) can't really be fully edited with NESticle. So I guess yeah -- if you just want to mess around you might be able to get some use out of NESticle's editor. But if you want to actually do a real hack it won't cut it and you'll have to actually use a real editor. It's more of a novelty than a tool. |
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iamhiro1112 Armos Level: 35 Posts: 292/487 EXP: 259927 For next: 20009 Since: 03-27-04 From: sd Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 7 days |
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| You guys need to stop peter_ac'ing the thread. The Graphic Workshop thread in Super Mario World hacking got closed down because some posters got some kinda testosterome rush and decided to stop contributing things. You've all established your dislike of Nesticle. Now lets get back on topic and hear of other emulators. | |||
Lenophis Super Koopa Level: 44  Posts: 432/830 EXP: 584360 For next: 26925 Since: 03-15-04 From: Duluth, MN Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by iamhiro1112 Uhhh, what? |
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Frank15 Red Koopa Level: 19 Posts: 108/126 EXP: 32228 For next: 3549 Since: 06-01-04 From: New Orleans Since last post: 71 days Last activity: 67 days |
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| NESticle's being a little underrated here... it's by no means a great emulator, but when you're using an ancient slow sucky computer, like my parent's computer, like I'm using at the moment, NESticle's a godsend. Mostly because all the "better" emulators don't particularly like this computer. On my own computer, while I have FCEU and use it on some occasions, I find Nestopia--seemingly underrated as per this thread--preferable on most occasions. |
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Gavin Fuzzy Rhinoceruses don't play games. They fucking charge your ass. Level: 43  Posts: 561/799 EXP: 551711 For next: 13335 Since: 03-15-04 From: IL, USA Since last post: 13 hours Last activity: 13 hours |
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| sure, Nesticle isn't bad... if you're a fucking retard who sucks tons of cock all the time. i mean honestly, nesticle is the IE of NES emulators. If you can have something better, use it. or you're a major tool. that is all. |
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iamhiro1112 Armos Level: 35 Posts: 293/487 EXP: 259927 For next: 20009 Since: 03-27-04 From: sd Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 7 days |
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| A major tool? Isn't that the equivalent of calling someone a pantyhose, or a can of soda. Cause I hear little kids blasting out those comments all the time. Whats with the personal attacks (puzzling as they are) cause you dont like the subjecct matter. Attack the subject matter and don't resort to the personal attacks. | |||
Parasyte Bullet Bill Level: 35  Posts: 389/514 EXP: 267348 For next: 12588 Since: 05-25-04 Since last post: 104 days Last activity: 32 days |
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| I'm not quite sure if your opinion is still valid after arguing for NESticle? ;P | |||
Ice Ranger Leever Level: 23  Posts: 109/183 EXP: 60462 For next: 7261 Since: 03-16-04 Since last post: 82 days Last activity: 3 days |
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| You know, I'd like to see an actual reason to resort to Nesticle. I hated it when it was the only thing to resort to for hacking (hated it even more when using it for just an emulator [I like LoopyNES more than nesticle]). When FCEUD came out, I quit using Nesticle altogether. I resorted to using FCEUD's PPU viewer to change pallets (the only thing I actually needed Nesticle for). Now that FCEUXD came out, quit frankly, there is no purpose to using Nesticle except for real time changes (oh wait, you can do that with FCEUXD as well [RAM or PPU view]. Then again, I'd prefer to make my changes where I can see the hexidecimal values. I'd like to see a real arguement about why to use Nesticle as Parasyte says. It's an outdated hacking device, which has been a long time call to being unnecessary. True, it served as a building block of the hacking community, but without any updates, what's the point? Back on topic. FCEUXD allows for PPU RAM and ROM viewing and editing in hexidecimal. Opening less tools makes it easier to get hacking done. The tracer and logger allow for ways to search for certain routines processed. The debugger (also present in FCEUD) allows for break points set after finding a RAM value that is affected. The RAM value can usually be found through a series of using the cheat finder using higher, lower, different, or equal comparisons to the last time the cheat finder was opened. FCEUXD is definitly the best hacking emulator to use because it works for more purposes than previous emulators. |
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Dish Spiny Level: 38 Posts: 310/596 EXP: 355646 For next: 14801 Since: 03-15-04 From: Disch Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 18 days |
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Originally posted by Frank15 Nah -- if anything it's overrated --- I mean there are people still recommending it. Even after all the bashing in this thread it's still listed as one of the two "best" emus in the first post in the thread NESticle has one thing going for it: speed. Everything else about it is sub-par.
Yeah -- when you're on a bad machine you'll have to live with bad programs. But a bad program running on a bad computer doesn't make the program better. The bad computer just limits your options. But anyway, have you tried LoopyNES? It's very quick, also, and is leaps and bounds ahead of NESticle. |
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Frank15 Red Koopa Level: 19 Posts: 109/126 EXP: 32228 For next: 3549 Since: 06-01-04 From: New Orleans Since last post: 71 days Last activity: 67 days |
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| Fair enough. I don't mind trying another option for my parents' computer... heaven knows I'd love to try something else on it that I thought might work semi-decently on it . |
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iamhiro1112 Armos Level: 35 Posts: 299/487 EXP: 259927 For next: 20009 Since: 03-27-04 From: sd Since last post: 18 days Last activity: 7 days |
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| Well, my list is based on suggestions that I'm getting, and many of the comments that I added were taken verbatem from people that have suggested certain Emulators. I'm looking to list as many emulators as I can, you know, any emulator that has a feature that has a useful feature I put on the list. If you have any suggestions for emulators I'd be glad to hear them and add them to the list. Even if they don't have as many features as FCEUXD they can still go on the list. |
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