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xXxJebusxXx Micro-Goomba Level: 5 Posts: 5/10 EXP: 496 For next: 33 Since: 03-01-05 From: Nanaimo, BC, Canada Since last post: 239 days Last activity: 181 days |
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| Well, if global warming happened and all the ice caps melted there would be no land, and i think it is a real danger because of all the things we have done to our ecosystem and how bad the heat in the summer, and the rain that isnt happening is a evident sign. I live in British Columbia and i remember a bit of rain in the summer and i cant remember having a drought when i was younger... But now every summer more forest fires and etc... So I think total global warming is getting closer and closer and we gotta find a way to stop it | |||
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The SomerZ Summer, yay! Level: 45  Posts: 648/862 EXP: 618182 For next: 41982 Since: 03-15-04 From: Norway Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 3 hours |
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| What now? Of course they ain't known by the general public, they're researchers, not rock stars! I can guarantee you, though, that they're good researchers, and heavyweights in scientific circles (they are, after all, put to work by the UN), and what they say is important to the debate over global warming. The fact that they're not known to the general public doesn't matter, they results of their research are definitely results that are listened to. I must admit, I can't quite see your point here, if only researchers that are known to the public are researchers that are important, or researchers that industry owners or environmentalists will pay attention to, then there are no important researchers out there. You don't become famous over researching global warming...  |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 1248/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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Originally posted by ||bass World heating up = ice melts. Now, where's the largest collection of ice stored? Ice age. |
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Tamarin Calanis We exist. Earth exists. The universe exists. Do we really need to know why? Level: 59 Posts: 346/1802 EXP: 1672751 For next: 377 Since: 07-12-04 From: The gas station on the corner... Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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Originally posted by windwakerYou can store ice in a time period?  And really, windwaker, I'm not seeing the point behind your post. You may have been cut off too soon, maybe by parents or pets, or maybe your mistake at the end just killed any meaning in your post. (edited by Tamarin Calanis on 03-04-05 08:32 PM) |
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PeterGriffinTheMan Deddorokku Level: 29  Posts: 19/425 EXP: 137018 For next: 10867 Since: 03-02-05 Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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| I believe it because in about 50 years or more the world is going to be different. Another reason in Antarctica ice is breaking apart and some other problem. I heard it on the news last year. | |||
Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82  Posts: 1831/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| I think the point of hearing it on the news is that you're allowing yourself to measure the heat in the same way we measure heat with a thermometer, which when it comes to global warming, you just can't do. Ziff's claim that almost every scientist agrees is pretty solid. Everyone against it has some kind of relation to the energy industry. In 1997, coal produced about 56% of the U.S.'s electricity, and pumped a good 30000+ pounds of CO2 gas into the atmosphere per household per year. That doesn't really seem like much in the grand scheme of things, but when we consider that before the Industrial Revolution CO2 levels were about 3/4 of what they are now, it's a bit of a possibility that modern industry has contributed just a little bit to our warming problem, since CO2 is literally the most common greenhouse gas. The coal-ition, of course, claims that amount of CO2 gas is a GOOD thing, saying that higher average temperatures will allow people to spend more time outside, and more CO2 will help plants grow. What they don't admit is that the temperature that rises per year is an AVERAGE, meaning it could stay completely the same around here, and rise about a whole degree or two in the north pole, and people wouldn't notice a damn thing. They also don't admit that CO2, while being a good plant fertilizer, is not necessarily entirely absorbed by the plants. In fact, many plants have a light phase, where they respire CO2 and breathe out O2, and a dark phase, where they breathe in O2 and breathe out CO2. That, coupled with the oh, say, 100 years it takes for the ocean to absorb released CO2 gas, leads me to believe that the greenhouse skeptics just might be bullshitting us. |
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Steak Zora Level: 35  Posts: 356/507 EXP: 278751 For next: 1185 Since: 03-16-04 From: Ohio University Since last post: 195 days Last activity: 195 days |
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| So...now we're talking glaciers, and ice caps. The Arctic Ice Cap is afloat. Just a large mass of sea ice. That won't affect ocean height significantly...but it will do something different if it's gone. Deep ocean currents, the ones that redistribute heat all over the world, are cooled near the poles. This means the water sinks to the bottom, and flows back to the start point. Without this cooling point, deep ocean currents will not flow as quickly, nor as deeply. This means, for starters, there won't be enough O2 for benthic bacteria to break down dead organisms that sunk to the bottom, and we'll start laying down black shale (and possibly oil shale). Not all that important to the human cause. However, this deadening or slowing of currents also will affect how high lattitudes near oceans receive their warmth. I speak of Western Europe, namely, Great Brittain. If those currents slow enough, Western Europe will receive the kind of cold associated with Canadian areas of the same lattitude. Geologists have taken declassified data from Cold War nuclear subs (since one of the ideas was to have the subs pop up from under the Arctic Ice Cap, and fire off a number of SLBMs) in regards to the deep ocean currents (since there's a difference in density, slipping between the two throws off sonar detection). The Ice Cap has been thinning. Extrapolation from the data shows that the Arctic Ice Cap will be present during winter only, maybe as soon as 2020, and definately by 2050, unless something changes. That's in our lifetime, folks. What will become of the oceanic currents...not sure. They may go from the arctic being their cooling point to simply connecting to the start that's somewhere in the Pacific. That'll keep Europe out of the freezer, but will likely in turn increase the general temperature of the oceans. Warmer world. Not necessarily a bad thing, but here's something else to consider. The large storms at sea draw their strength from how deep the warm water below them is. In the modern oceans the temperature plummets at depth of something like 800m (they call this point the thermocline). If the thermocline is deeper, the ocean storms can draw from a deeper column of warm water, and then they come more often, and *bigger*. Meaning, we could start seeing Cat. V Hurricanes more often. Anarctica has its own circumcontinental deep ocean current that severs it off from the rest of the oceanic currents. It stays cold, though, perhaps not cold enough for our tastes. Anartica has two ice sheets (continental glaciers): Eastern, and Western. The Eastern Antarctic Ice Sheet is stable (for now). The Western, though isn't. I don't remember what all is happening with it...there is a part that's flowing notably faster than the rest of it (ice beyond a certain depth, somethin' like 50m, behaves differently than we're used to seeing. It can flow, among other things). If the whole thing fell in (which thankfully can't happen all at once; the sheet's that friggin' big), sea levels would rise apx. 20m. If all the glaciers of the world (including mountain glaciers, even the ones that are land-locked and have hundreds of miles of river before reaching the ocean) were to melt, the rise would be something like 70m. Again, not likely to happen. Probably won't during our lifetime. /babbling Yeah, I know...I'm the resident geologist.  |
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Banedon Giant Red Paratroopa Level: 55 Posts: 1045/1408 EXP: 1291380 For next: 22809 Since: 03-15-04 From: Michigan Since last post: 101 days Last activity: 90 days |
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| I read an article about this recently...supposedly, global warming is not a product of the industrialization of human society, it began 8000 years ago when humans started farming. [EDIT: OK, how did the double post actually get through? I thought the board software prevented it from happening...] (edited by Banedon on 03-06-05 07:10 AM) |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61 Posts: 1258/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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Originally posted by Tamarin CalanisOriginally posted by windwakerYou can store ice in a time period? No, if the ice cap melts, there would be another ice age, possibly, because of it not only raising the seas with really cold water, it would affect Earth in a few ways. |
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Steak Zora Level: 35 Posts: 357/507 EXP: 278751 For next: 1185 Since: 03-16-04 From: Ohio University Since last post: 195 days Last activity: 195 days |
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Originally posted by windwaker  ...I get the feeling that people here look at the long post and say oh, Steak's just babbling again; just ignore him...nevermind that I actually am majoring in geology, and we go over this stuff in class.... |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61 Posts: 1265/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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I read it; I wasn't referring to everywhere. In certain places there would be considerable lower temperature.  |
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Legault Bot Level: 24  Posts: 49/269 EXP: 78075 For next: 50 Since: 12-24-04 From: Schools out...YES!!! Summer vacation. Since last post: 13 days Last activity: 4 days |
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| Yeah some places would have a lower temperature but, they would most likely be lowered because they would be either flooded or frozen. However there is a low chance for that to happen anyway. Oh, I just remembered this, The only country that is making the problem of global warming is the United States. So it is all our fault. | |||
neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 2595/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| "our" fault? Why are you including me into this...I'm not complaining |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 2656/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| United States and Australia dodge Kyoto bullet Competitive Enterprise Institute, Feb 14 2005 The Competitive Enterprise Institute congratulates the United States and Australia for their leadership in refusing to ratify the fatally flawed and potentially disastrous Kyoto Protocol climate treaty, which is scheduled to enter into force internationally on Wednesday. Globalwarming.org They really don't want us to pass that, so even if it is our fault, there is no way we can actually stop it. We halt production, we're screwed, we don't we're screwed... Damn. Anyways, very interesting, although most people seem to be saying global warming is really going to mess us up with only a few people saying it is natural. This is a hard topic to get both sides on because everyone is promoting a political agenda. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 3167/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Kyoto, although a flawed treatise, is still a good legislative piece as it is incentive based for companies and begins to create declines in pollution through finished products and production processes. | |||
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Grey the Stampede Don't mess with powers you don't understand. And yes. That means donuts. Level: 82 Posts: 1856/3770 EXP: 5192909 For next: 16318 Since: 06-17-04 From: Kingston, RI, USA, Earth Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| It's not entirely America's fault: Countries that are developing industrially have the potential to totally outstrip America in greenhouse gas production. And didn't China and India, which already house over 1/4 the world's population, fight legislation that would in the very least help to fight pollution on the grounds that it was America's mess and they shouldn't have to clean it up, no matter how much they'd contribute to it in the future? Nice logic, there. Yeah, even though America got caught with its pants down, let's unzip and let it rip! China and India are going to end up producing more pollution than America ever has once they develop... the least they could do is make sure global warming really is just America's fault by not contributing to it. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3176/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| China, India, Brazil and ESPECIALLY Russia are going to be the biggest polluters with the USA, Britain, Canada, Ukraine and Germany behind them |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 8349/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| Ah, wonderful Germany, UK and Poland. They shove out their shit, and it rains on our showers. It's said that we are a quite caring people about our nature, but it dosen't help when the shit rains from other countries.  ;It's just not about global warming. :/ |
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HGanon Red Paragoomba Level: 12 Posts: 5/59 EXP: 7041 For next: 880 Since: 03-06-05 Since last post: 104 days Last activity: 9 hours |
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| I don't believe in global warming. At least not anything major. If there's such a danger, than how is that where I live we're still getting snow? Not to mention that hot areas like Texas got snow last year. It just doesn't seem to add up. Lots of people's concerns about global warming is that it affects the o-zone layer right? Well, I'm pretty sure that the sun CREATES the o-zone layer, so even if it was damaged, it would just be repaired. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3200/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| No. The SUN DESTROYS THE OZONE WITH ULTRAVIOLET RADIATION! The primordial planet emitted gases that were held in by gravity that formed the sphere known as the OZONE layer. And global warming is extremely noticeable. Shorter, milder winters (when my dad was a kid the total temperature was WAY colder). But then, I'm pretty sure that you wouldn't know much about the greenhouse gases...I think I'll let Steak take it away. |
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