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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 2381/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| This story has been around for several years now. The woman in question is an individual who is practically brain-dead for about 15 years already. The husband of the woman wants to end her life because he feels this is what is best for her while the woman's parents want her to still live because miracles can happen. Both sides have been stuck in a bitter court battle for years and no end in sight. Everything has hinged around the fact that the woman never specified what to do if she ever became like this. So, what do you think about this? I'll give my answer later... |
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Kario In Possession of a Stolen Shovel Level: 65 Posts: 1257/2082 EXP: 2321379 For next: 14249 Since: 03-15-04 From: Texas... Yeehaw! Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 17 hours |
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| I say pull the plug. Sure miracles do happen, but so do years and years of hope and then disappointment. My brother was braindead for 15 minutes and we pulled the plug. Why? For all we know, he was lying there suffering between life and death or something. Soul was in limbo. It was also causing the family pain seeing him lie there with no will and no life. | |||
Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 7748/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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What the hell?  There |
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geeogree Bloober Level: 34  Posts: 313/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| see.... in that specific case.... I would say yes... in general.... I say case by case basis.... in some cases there isn't a justifiable reason to do it at the moment people may want to... and then there are cases like the one already brought up, where this girl has been brain dead for 15 years.... and it's just a waste of money and hospital space keeping that person alive |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 1202/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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| Aye. It's just prolonging the inevitable. It's doubtlessly costing her family members much money, too. |
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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67  Posts: 1451/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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| Oh, hrm. I thought this was going to be a thread on euthanasia for people with severe pain or other chronic incurable problems. (Kervorkian, etc.) But I don't know what I would do if I was in that position. If it was someone I was incredibly attached to, I suppose I would want to try everything I could to help the person, even if it took years. But if there are financial limits, you can't always do that, unfortunately. On the side, anybody seen Soilent Green? Those death clinics are a fucked up idea, but at the same time seem like a nice way to go. (As long as no one ends up eating you.) |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 8081/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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| I just wonder, how is the law when it comes to death in US? From what I know we count Braindead people as being dead, and the hospital aren't allowed to keep it alive after 24 hours, in a few cases they may keep to try keep the patient undead in thoose cases where they take the organs... And yes, in this case I would pull the plug. Hell, I would kill her off instantly, not in the passiv way... becuse that could take awhile and i'm not sure if she would suffer.  |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143 Posts: 7789/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38  Posts: 509/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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Originally posted by Kitten Yiffer The law varies from state to state. In Schiavo's case, she's "lucky" enough to live in Florida, with one of the more conservative governments who jumped through many hoops to save her useless husk. And... yea, there was a similar thread to this this a while back. My old thoughts still stand: "It's certainly the right of the parents to decide what happens. But the question is, can the parents afford all this treatment? Or, since it's in the UK, should the government provide it solely because the parents will it to be provided? No. So unless the parents are willing to seek private medical treatment and pay for it 100% by themselves, then the State has a perfectly legitimate reason to deny treatment. I don't see why it's so taboo to say that some people should die if the cost the State a ton of money to keep alive.. it's not fair to taxpayers." |
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Danielle Local Moderator  Level: 76  Posts: 219/3359 EXP: 3958078 For next: 47982 Since: 09-15-04 From: RATE Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| For me, it depends on the situation. With this one, I would say yes. Brain dead people.. dont have miracles. It's irreversable almost 100% of the time. Why make them suffer for nothing? However in most cases similar to this, like someone in a coma or life support, there is a better chance for them to come-to. I dont know how doctors can cope with decisions like this every day. |
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PeterGriffinTheMan Deddorokku Level: 29  Posts: 14/425 EXP: 137018 For next: 10867 Since: 03-02-05 Since last post: 4 hours Last activity: 6 hours |
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| I saw the news on tv and this guy in jail has been there for years and he said he wants to end his misery or die. I think if he is in jail for life but I think you should have the right to choose when to die or not to die because if he can't take jail anymore so let him that's my opinion. (edited by Bush Hater on 03-03-05 10:58 PM) |
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Colleen Administrator Level: 136 Posts: 7171/11302 EXP: 29369328 For next: 727587 Since: 03-15-04 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| There's a reason why they call it a "life" sentence. The punishment is that you have to stay in prison until your death - and barring something like committing suicide or being murdered in jail, there's not much that's going to change that. It also would depend on what the person is in jail for (if the offenses tacked together weren't punishable by the death penalty in the first place, what's the point?) and where the person was, obviously. But as far as the prison system goes, life is life and death is death. I agree with that 100%. |
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hhallahh Bob-Omb Level: 38 Posts: 511/607 EXP: 365476 For next: 4971 Since: 03-15-04 From: Portland, OR Since last post: 73 days Last activity: 60 days |
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Originally posted by Colleen Actually, the life sentence is a 115-year sentence. Not that anyone's going to live it out, but... you know. Also, life sentences tend to let you be paroled after 25 years unless it's specifically stated otherwise. |
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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 2747/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| An update... Congress has now intervened and given the woman's family one last shot... should congress have intervened in such a public matter that is localized in a state or they shouldn't have? to me, I don't think they should--there are other pressing matters right now such as our budget and our foreign relations... |
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drjayphd Beamos What's that spell? pimp! Level: 56  Posts: 920/1477 EXP: 1387410 For next: 10766 Since: 03-15-04 From: CT Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Absolutely fucking no. The family's exhausted all available means. That does NOT mean to open up more avenues solely for political gain. (There's a memo going around the Senate saying that the Schiavo case makes for a perfect issue to knock out a Democratic Senator in Florida. How fucking callous of the far right.) |
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Kitten Yiffer Purple wand Furry moderator Vivent l'exp����¯�¿�½������©rience de signalisation d'amusement, ou bien ! Level: 135 Posts: 8770/11162 EXP: 28824106 For next: 510899 Since: 03-15-04 From: Sweden Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 4 min. |
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Originally posted by DanielleWell, brain dead people aren't suffering either. Becuse they're dead clinically... unless someone figure out how to repair dead brains but I doubt that happens in this century at least.  ...you know, I feel like going over to US and kill her myself, even if that would be illegal... They make her suffer more than needed.  |
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neotransotaku Baby Mario 戻れたら、 誰も気が付く Level: 87 Posts: 2759/4016 EXP: 6220548 For next: 172226 Since: 03-15-04 From: Outside of Time/Space Since last post: 11 hours Last activity: 1 hour |
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| exactly...today in my paper 70% of people of the US did not approve of this action by Congress and the president. I wonder if this may be considerered unconstitutional in the future... Kitten Yiffer, I feel the exact same thing too... |
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Reid Hardhat Beetle Level 50 Bitches. Level: 37  Posts: 423/558 EXP: 322182 For next: 16071 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 2 hours |
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| The US government considers Brain-dead people still alive if they are hooked to an automatic respiration machine. And he can't just give her a shot to kill her off. He has to let her die my dehydration or starvation. If he doesn't it is considered assisted suicide and he will go to jail. So if the congress does not over-rule the court judges opion and make him put the Machines back to her, she will die in about 3 or 4 days. I would pull the plug after an hour or so. I feel she is done. Her brain is basically gone. Once your brain is destroyed everything about you is gone. | |||
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drjayphd Beamos What's that spell? pimp! Level: 56 Posts: 922/1477 EXP: 1387410 For next: 10766 Since: 03-15-04 From: CT Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Exactly, Reid. The fact that a decent chunk of her brain is now SPINAL FLUID should be a sign that she is just physically incapable of living a functional life any more. Yes, the parents are in denial. But somebody needs to take them aside and explain that no, in fact, she can not survive without racks of devices, ranging from respirators to feeding tubes. Let her die with dignity. (Oh, and she is not technically brain-dead. Her medulla oblongata still functions, which is being used as evidence to hook her up again. Then again, the tape people are using as proof is heavily edited, as I understand it, not showing that she is responding to stimuli and non-stimuli similarly.) |
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Sokarhacd Ball and Chain Trooper Resistance is Futile You Will Be Assimilated Hab SoSlI' Quch Level: 61  Posts: 1094/1757 EXP: 1799888 For next: 76708 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 4 hours |
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| I know they arent gonna put the feeding tube back in. but the only bad part of this is the husband who is the one that got the feeding tube taken out is getting money when she dies, so I dont think its right, and she can move her eyes, and she even screamed yesterday, so I dont think its right at all.... another thing I think is wrong is the fact that they are starving her to death, not to mention no one knows 100% if she feels it or not...so yeah...thats the bad stuff...there basically is no reason for them not to reinsert it, and they should...its been a whole week now without food or water. She deserves the right to live for fuck sakes. (edited by ? |
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