Posted by Murray

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But I heard that Supergun never got the CARTRIDGE in the first place!

I wouldn't trust what okibi said if I were you. There's no way it could be 70% complete like he said.
Development did indeed start on Famicom(there's an article on it somewhere at TheHylia), but it was quickly moved to the Super Famicom.
http://www.thehylia.com/community_10_21_05_1909.shtml
It certaintly wasn't still being worked on in 1990.

Furthermore, here is a Famicom site showing what Famicom cartridges look like, among other things.
http://www.vidgame.net/NINTENDO/FAMICOM.htm

Yet okibi claims to have the proto on a NES cartridge!

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Posted by Murray

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Me either. Anyway, it seems that okibi is a scam artist. You see, he never gave the cartridge(if it ever existed)to Supergun, even though Supergun paid almost $1400 for it!
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7050&page=10
read from #183 down.

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Posted by Drag

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Ok, taking a huge recap on what happened here...

Z3 prototype discovered. There's an article on it. However, there have been many z3 prototypes that were hoaxes. So of course a lot of people will be... less than willing to believe that "this time" is the real thing.

So there's this contest where the prize is the rom. We download the fake rom, because we think it's actually the rom, instead of just a hint. It's fake, oh no, so yeah, we declare it as a hoax. Then later, we find out about step 2, so that wasn't the prize. So maybe the rom is real? We won't know unless we try to win, so that's what a few of us do. Granted, there are still a lot of users who don't believe it.

So we get to the end, the end is really difficult. Nobody wins the contest. So what happens? Everyone left and right declares the rom as a hoax, and starts attacking Okibi.

There's really no point in arguing this because I doubt anyone will change their minds, but losing the contest didn't prove the rom was a fake. What MIGHT prove the rom as a fake is if we WON the contest, and the winner never received the rom. But that didn't happen. We just flat out didn't win, and thus, nobody got the rom. Nothing was proved.

But yes, it's annoying how so many people are just so bent on arguing that he's a liar, it's a hoax, etc, when in reality, there's no proof to back it up. Hell, even if he did post some screenshots, a lot of people would still call them fake.

Also, there's a huge flaw with how we've been handling this. We've been *expecting* proof out of him, but has anyone actually ASKED him for an ingame screenshot or something?

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Posted by Tweaker

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So what, do you want me to say I'm sorry or something? There's always two sides to the fence, and you should know that.

Besides that, it should be obvious that the fault isn't just on me for leaking this. If this dump was supposed to be as private as you thought it was, how did I obtain it? Why is there an IRC channel with 30+ people who have said ROM? If you want to be super-anal about how you deal with collectors and whatnot (which is a viewpoint I can certainly understand), then you need to work harder to keep private ROM dumps, uh... private. Because you "think" you may be able to trust all your friends that you hand them to (or whatever), but remember that a majority of people won't hesitate to turn on others at any time. I kept this ROM private for a few months (ie, I've had it for a while), but what good does that do? Waiting for a collector to give a thumbs up that would probably never happen? And, even if it does, what circumstances would have changed? Either way, the ROM would've been out there, and I doubt he was keeping it just to sell it later or something.

Whatever, I'm rambling now... But I don't regret one bit of what I did. I'm not going to claim responsibility for how a group of people act; neither the "sonic fags" or the "collector fags." But I got ahold of an unreleased game, so I did what I thought would be best for the thriving of both this community, and a fair share of others I frequent. If that negatively affected any other communities, I'm not about to bow down and take it in the ass over it. I mean, I'm sorry that turned out bad for you, but that's just the way things happened.

What I'd do is, if you find another proto like this, and manage to convince the withholder of the cart to dump it, then, uh... DON'T TELL ANYBODY. It'll save the trouble you'll get from people knowing of its presence, and the chance of it leaking to the wrong person again, essentially repeating this situation.

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Posted by Tweaker

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But I don't regret one bit of what I did.

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Posted by Tweaker

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In fact, who ARE you? I don't even fucking know you and you're running your mouth like we go way back or something. Go sit in a corner and shit yourself you useless little prick.

And you're an even bigger idiot if you EVER thought X-Treme would be released.

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Posted by Tweaker

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Posted by iamstillhiro1112

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Not this time around. I had passed the test, and was a regular member, and that membership was reverted, right around the time you made the post about pending approvals.

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Hi there buddy, learn to read! You're in pending retest, not pending approval. Everybody was put through that, and you're no exception. If you want back in, pass the test. Simple as that.

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And not knowing "What is the name of the level specific programming routines that are triggered only when certain conditions are fufilled in-game?" (one of the questions asked to get past pending approval) isn't something everyone knows. If you asked the average person on the street they wouldn't immediately know the answer. Or even "How long is each object's status table in Sonic 2?". I'm not the only one who found these tests ridiculous as you remember.

http://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php/topic,3267.0.html

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Uh... no shit? The point is to research the answers to prove that you have the ability to do so, S2B isn't for your random internet idiot. For example, the answers to both those questions can be answered with a simple forum search, or even a google search. Don't whine to me if you can't handle that, since you know where the door is.

I also won't be responsible for arrogance on taking the test. Knowing their skill, however, I HAVE offered them board invites to pass the test. Whether or not they choose to accept them is up to them.

Do you think that just because other people share your opinion, it makes you right, or something? And opinion is not fact, dear, and you're doing little more than making yourself look like a bigger idiot than I initially anticipated you to be. Seriously, stop trying to blame everything on one person and look at the bigger picture here.

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