Yeah I noted that as soon as I saw the thread on IRC feed. :p

I can't really help it as up in Swedish is spelt with 2 "p". Same for "at" (even though it does not mean exactly the same in Swedish) But then again I don't mention this.

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There are reasons many say religion is something one should not discuss on the internet, if this thread spiral down into anything I'm closing it, just a heads up.

As for me? I'm an agnostic, as I believe in what logic can prove, yada yada, the wikipage on agnostics says everything you need to know if you're unsure.

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Wait, you're YamI? Suddenly, it makes more sense! :O

Anyhow, the hack looks pretty cool so far, got any information on it that you can share beside the images?

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We sorta wish you where new though!

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This is no an release, therefore, it should go in the ROM hacking forum. *moved*

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I was going to see if there was any interest here for playing Spiral Knights.

Though, since I assume most of you don't know much about it, let me give you guys a brief round down:

It's a free to play "MMO" using a combination of 2D zelda and dungeon crawling for gameplay. Now, I said free to play, but hang on your hats and read on, for the game actually uses a business model unique to this game. (I have not seen a similar one before)

Though if you don't want the round down, just skip down past to the next set of dashes.
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The game is based on two currencies, energy and crowns. Crowns is the coinage loot, you get this from killing monsters or in treasure chests; Standard dungeon crawling style. With coins you can buy low level gear from NPCs or any high level gear sold on the auction house by other players. You also use it to buy crafting recipes as well as a very small amount when actually doing the crafting.

Then we have Crystal Energy. (CE) Crystal energy is sold by three rings (the developer (Refereed to as: OOO, at times)) for money. Crystal energy can be traded to other players or sold on an in-game market for crowns. There is also an NPC that sell gear for CE but let's be honest, no player uses that ever since the prices' are over the freaking top.

Players will need CE for high level crafting, this means that if no one pays the developers then no one is going to be able to get past a certain point. But on the other end of the spectrum, no one is going to run servers for and update an game that does not rack in profit.

But as there are always players out there who want to skip playing and get further faster there is always going to be CE for sale on the market, the question is just the price, which of course varies by demand. So yes, this game has a real functional player based market. And no, OOO does not take actively part in the market. They do however put up special deals, rarely, for buying CE with real life cash, but what do you expect? Obviously they will want to profit.

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So yeah, you will need to understand the market sooner or later, but it's not a huge deal until later in the game.

So, how does the game function?
Well, like mentioned, it's a dungeon crawl that is 30 floors deep with randomly generated floors on random generated stratums, except not. All players actively takes parts in building the themes for stratums for each gate. The 30 floor dungeon has four gates active into it at all time, each with their own stratums and levels. A gate is active for 12 days before it's replaced by another one. (One gate cycles out and another one in every third day)

The gameplay when actually playing works like a mix of Zelda and real time RPGs. (just look at the video for an explanation.) With a hint of bomberman in it if you decide to use bombs. Every knight (assuming you don't upgrade) can carry two weapons at a time. There are three type of weapons: Swords, guns, and bombs. Now, every sword does not work the same, obviously, so there is still more to it then that. But if you play you will be given a fair share of sword types in the tutorial that you can try out.

Now let's deal with the "MMO" part here, since I am sure you wonder how a dungeon crawl can be an MMO. Well, to put it simply, it's not an MMO. The only place where you meet a whole bunch of players on the same time is the town or your guild hall (assuming you are in a guild) and/or possibly PVP if you care for that. (It's not a huge part of the game) When going into the dungeon you are set up with several options, you can go in solo, or you can join/start a random group party. You can at any time dump your party and go into a solo session when you are in the dungeon, if you so wish.

A dungeon party is a group of 1-4 players. Enemies HP scale with the number of players, but nothing else does. Don't worry about ninja looting or any shit like that, crowns and heat (EXP, we will get to that) are added to a pot, and every player get the full pot. What this means is that you always get the same amount of crowns regardless of if you're in a party or solo or who picks it up in the dungeon. Crafting materials are divided randomly when picked up by any player and minerals (used for gate building) are given to everyone.

Heat/exp: (the tutorial goes over this FYI) works like this: you don't have a player level, you have gear level. Your gear starts at level 0 when crafted and is maxed at level 10. This means no grinding for EXP, your gear will get slightly (and I do mean slightly) better after you have used it for a while.

Now let's go over mist energy here. Going down a single dungeon floor in the dungeon costs 10 energy. Crafting also costs energy (amounts depending on type and rank) Every player has a mist tank of 100. This energy can't be traded, but you can use it for anything you would use energy for. The mist tank slowly refills. (It takes 22 hours for it to go from 0-100) This means that you can play 10 dungeon floors a day, pretty much.

So to sum it up: Spiral knights is not a game you play for hours on end, it's a game you play for a few hours a day. (Though, PVP does not cost energy.)

But without further ado here is the trailer:



Though, it is a bit outdated as they add new shit quite often...

You can find the game DRM free on their site: [Link]
Or you can use your Steam account: [Link] (The steam client take both account types)

Here are a few screenshots: [Link] [Link] [Link] [Link]

If you want to add me in game you can add either: Lunamon or Sapphire-Drip (or both)


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And for those of you who who are old Spiral Knights players but have stopped playing for X reason. Well...

The game has been more streamlined, they have added more story elements as well as a mission based system in which you get to experience it. (Which you can skip if it's not your cup of tea...) This makes it easier to get going in the game as the missions rewards you with equipment early on, and recipes later on.

Furthermore, boss lairs can now be reached when you have unlocked the missions for them, making it easier to set up a party for a boss run as well as reducing the energy costs of such a run. While mission rewards can only be given to you once, you can still replay most of them as much as you want.

All of these changes serve to make the game both easier to get into, as well as reducing some of the grindy elements of the game by introducing new missions for you. Also, remember that bug where your allied Attack bots would reflect your own gun shots? Yeah, they finally fixed that!

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Though, since I assume most of you don't know much about it, let me give you guys a brief round down:

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Er... yeah. I guess I kinda am nerding this game.



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To be perfectly fucking honest with you, DA is shit in every single regard.
That also goes for the community. If you want publicity, I recommend finding some other media to display your art.

That said, I can help you out with DA since I have used the site myself. I am just terrible at explaining shit so it would be better if you catch me on IRC.

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Thread title fits so well right now! DERP de herp

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Posted by Googie

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S'up with the community as a whole? ^^

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DA?

Oh where do I even start? >:I

I'd rather not go on longs rants about it, but it's pretty much a bunch of artist who hangs there only to promote themselves at every opportunity possible and everyone bends their ass out with sob stories to sell commissions. Almost everyone is an freaking idiot about it too. (Like how every bastard ever I favourite spam my profile to advertise themselves even though I have a note sitting there saying that I do not want such comments.

Mind you, there are nice people out there on DA, but since the interface on the site is fucking horrible and the ways you can share art on DA is fucking horrible it's all a mess to find them.

I can go on forever about it, but I'd rather not. :I

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Welcome to Board2, hope you enjoy your stay and make lots of posting!

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The one on the right is way better on the eye as the foreground and background are not the same colour. It also looks better since the background shows mountains of different styles.

But hey, that's just my opinion.

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Posted by YamI

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But I don't feel like spamming the place up with threads about the same topic so why not post it in here?

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I don't think that is going to be an issue any time soon considering we are fairly inactive for a board.

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An good idea as an cartoonist is try and pitch your cartoons to a company that you believe would get it printed. :p

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Oh look, it's this thread again. ._.

Too clarify my post: Everyone tends to go ape shit when talking about this subject in general. But to answer your post in relation to board 2: You can post anything here that you made yourself, obviously. We don't do ROM distribution but that does not mean you can't post resources you think will help hackers. In such cases one would have to judge with logic if it's reasonable to distribute it or not.

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Posted by MikeFuryXP

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Lets face facts here, your not the one who design the characters or games that your hacking, so pretty much you have no say so on whats yours legally.

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That's a lie, please don't give legal advice if you don't know what you're talking about. ._.

Anything you yourself make (unless you lose the rights to it) you own. What this means is that if you do level a level design only hack for say SMW, you own that level design. This is why distribution in patch form is popular, since you're only handing out what you yourself made.

No one else could go about and try and sell this design that you made, regardless of the need for the rest of the game code. To put it plainly, a hack (in ROM format) is not owned by neither part, but rather, both. Therefore, neither would be able to profit on it unless a deal is made among both (or more) parts. Of course, it's even more complicated then what I said, but this is not what this thread is for.

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Oh, so you have a degree in law then, or so I assume?

Since after all, you seem dead set in that you're right here. And your terrible sentence constructions don't really help in making your point(s) understood, if I may add.

Whatever, neither of us are expert at laws here, let's leave it at that and be over with the derail.

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And Haz just showed why we can't have nice things.

Haz: You don't go into a religious debate telling people their faith is wrong. What people believe in is up to them and there is no point in making needless remarks about how you don't believe what others believe in.

TL;DR: It's perfectly fine sharing your own opinion, but please don't go around telling people they are wrong when they don't share yours.

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Oh man, that's a sweet ass looking hand. I swear, if there is anything I can respect with good artists, it's how they manage to make good looking hands. I swear it's fucking impossible to do that.... Good job man!

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I thought I made it perfectly clear this derail was over?

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I'm sensing a lot of tension in here, I assume everyone here is mature enough to keep it civil, right?

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