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| Main - Gaming - The beginning of the end...of WFC. | New thread | New reply |
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 Lantern Ghost Level: 60 Posts: 197/766 EXP: 1680352 Next: 92426 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 5970 days Last view: 5777 days |
The R4/M3 flash carts now have built in Action Replay support in their newest firmware update. Of course...This is bad.
It not only comes with thousands of cheats, but they can all be used on WFC! This is very bad. Message boards left and right are complaining about second placers in Mario Kart DS using Bullet/Blue Shell over and over again against their opponents and having incredible speeds. Also, full HP/Ammo and see through walls is available on Metroid Prime: Hunters. Not even that, but cheats to royally fuck up a town are available and ready to be used on Animal Crossing: Wild World WFC. And to top it all off, Starfox: Command matches don't even start anymore, they end right away giving the person cheating an instant win. The M3/R4 is basically the same flash cart, and are very very mainstream. Anyone who is anybody has one. So yes. WFC is fucked unless Nintendo figures out how to fix this issue, which they may just not. ____________________ I miss post headers more. |
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Happy Hour! Level: 81 Posts: 669/1556 EXP: 4851658 Next: 141191 Since: 03-25-07 Last post: 2682 days Last view: 2680 days |
Hooray for grandma fixing the issue, she must be smart.
But that seriously screws up my hopes for any decent WiFi play. So much for that idea. I'm just waiting until N1NT3ND0 starts releasing patches to their games like a PC. XD ____________________ 
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 Mole Level: 42 Posts: 232/351 EXP: 521189 Next: 173 Since: 02-19-07 From: Massachusetts Last post: 5971 days Last view: 5408 days |
Feegyoors.
I keep playing against these totaly hax'd up Tetris players with implausible win statistics who cause about 15 lines of garbage to appear for every 2 lines cleared  this is beyond lame ;\ What I want to know is what does the flashcart have to do with anything. Do the games themselves disallow the use of the AR over WFC? Wouldn't that be software-based as opposed to hardware-based? I'm missing something here, aren't I. |
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 Fuzzy Level: 60 Posts: 450/778 EXP: 1720000 Next: 52778 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 2496 days Last view: 1657 days |
Posted by KeitaroActually, tetris has already been hacked to make every block a blue l 
So basically its a perpetual star... But yeah, I hardly play on WFC anymore since everyone is an 8 year old whiny brat ____________________  |
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Lantern Ghost Level: 60 Posts: 198/766 EXP: 1680352 Next: 92426 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 5970 days Last view: 5777 days |
Yes you are. The flash carts can be used over WFC, I own a M3. When you go to start the game, it asks you if you want to Cheat, and you can activate cheats in there and just connect to WFC and boom, instant cheats.
Oh wait. Are you talking about normal Action Replay? The one you buy in the store? I don't know if it works over WFC or not, but I'm sure it does too. ____________________ I miss post headers more. |
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Mole Level: 42 Posts: 233/351 EXP: 521189 Next: 173 Since: 02-19-07 From: Massachusetts Last post: 5971 days Last view: 5408 days |
Oh I see, its built IN. Well that...yeah, makes things a it screwy ;\ especially if games themselves prevented WFC cheating by searching for AR hardware. Making it built in just...blah. This really isn't too cool. Oh well. It was bound to happen. |
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 Porcupo Level: 40 Posts: 231/309 EXP: 430523 Next: 10786 Since: 02-19-07 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6129 days Last view: 6105 days |
But how many players online are going to be using the cheats? Probably a substantial number but not the vast majorities.
I understand *why* they would add the Action Replay support (some people do like to fool around and I like to as well after I complete a game) but I usually play with friends instead of strangers. So me not worried.  |
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 Spike Dragon Level: 57 Posts: 294/705 EXP: 1483687 Next: 2241 Since: 02-19-07 From: 
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It takes just one asshole to completely fuck up everything for everyone.
It's like you're having fun racing against legitimate players, playing tetris against legitimate players, etc. And then some FUCKER comes in with cheats, and suddenly everyone loses no matter what. It sucks. As a software programmer, I'm not sure how Nintendo could fix something like this, other than shutting down the companies that make the flash carts, and even then, that won't solve much. ____________________  |
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Spike Level: 58 Posts: 366/709 EXP: 1495158 Next: 82388 Since: 03-01-07 From: California Last post: 6010 days Last view: 3036 days |
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Level: 105 Posts: 1330/2846 EXP: 12034031 Next: 228229 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 6066 days Last view: 2803 days |
Even the most basic of security options could at least help (such as not storing the addresses for the important shit in the same spot over and over)...
But honestly, just because cheaters aren't exactly common doesn't mean they won't be on WiFi -- you might actually get cheaters more often with this since (obviously) if you're cheating the whole fun of it is going online. Oh, one more thing. Don't forget that the whole Nintendo WiFi Connection and friend code system is utterly retarded, preventing: - Being able to report anyone for cheating (users can change names almost instantly with no penalty) - Not being able to quit when a known cheater joins (see names) - No sort of in-game "Report this player" option I've said it before and I'll say it again -- X-box Live solves all of these problems and then some. If you're finding another player is being an utter dickhead (cheating, hacking, spurting racial slurs every three seconds) you can report them freely, and many people used it (and even more outright lost subscriptions) Oh, and the real kicker? Any thread about cheaters on Nintendo's forums is instantly deleted. I was there when the start of the Tetris cheating was going on (one idiot with infinite-I pieces) and there were at least 4 threads made (and deleted)... 
Oh well. ____________________ I dealt with it. |
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Hats Steam Board2 group Level: 121 Posts: 624/3965 EXP: 19788632 Next: 268064 Since: 02-19-07 From: Sweden, Skåne Last post: 3307 days Last view: 2058 days |
Oh boy, this would also give people who reverse engineer for fun a bad name now. And maybe they will go head-hunting.
Although it's true what XK says. There's some basics tricks to prevent cheating in peer to peer games. If I made a peer to peer game, I probably would solve it somewhat like openTTD (the whole game is run on each computer and commands are sent inbetween the clients. If it's a client cheats, he will sooner or later desynch as soon he does something that seems impossible for other clients). And it's kinda hard to resolve this too. It's called Read Only Memory for a good reason. :/ ____________________ AIM: gamefreak1337, MSN: Emil_sim@spray.se, XMPP: ailure@xmpp.kafuka.org
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 Beezo Level: 49 Posts: 78/480 EXP: 831883 Next: 52000 Since: 03-15-07 Last post: 5774 days Last view: 5639 days |
Posted by Ailure I doubt it, if they delete posts about cheating, it seems like they're trying to pretend it doesn't happen, and even if they did, what could they possibly do? It's not like people are breaking any law by making cheat codes. This does suck though, I hope the amount of cheaters has been exaggerated, otherwise, no MP: Hunters wifi for me. ____________________ There are things I want to put here. Like a cool picture, my 8-bit theatre character test result, my MS and RO characters... But it's 12 AM, and I'm sleepy. |
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Porcupo Level: 40 Posts: 236/309 EXP: 430523 Next: 10786 Since: 02-19-07 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6129 days Last view: 6105 days |
Well I doubt 50% of all people playing MP: Hunters right now are cheating.
Now, how is Nintendo doing Pokemon trading in Pearl/Diamond? Are they using a database for that, because if so... :\ |
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Level: 105 Posts: 1340/2846 EXP: 12034031 Next: 228229 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 6066 days Last view: 2803 days |
Probably the same way the GB(C/A) ones did it, just over wi-fi ____________________ I dealt with it. |
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Porcupo Level: 40 Posts: 238/309 EXP: 430523 Next: 10786 Since: 02-19-07 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6129 days Last view: 6105 days |
Yeah but apparently you can put Pokemon up for trade and specify what you want for them in return. So I dunno how they do that.
We'll find out in a week. But that might be annoying... people giving away Level 100 Mew's or something ridiculous. |
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 Metabble Level: 64 Posts: 346/904 EXP: 2154184 Next: 59913 Since: 02-19-07 From: Location? Last post: 5174 days Last view: 4788 days |
Dear god, so much for my plans of Pokemon DP WiFi. I always hated Sharkers and AR'ers. Let's hope DP willhave something against this. |
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 Cobrat Level: 56 Posts: 99/653 EXP: 1322384 Next: 75792 Since: 02-21-07 Last post: 5347 days Last view: 4848 days |
Pokemon D/P already have enough to mess up the online trading thing, anyway. Let's see... you can clone stuff in Emerald (and R/S? not sure), you can AR things in FR/LG/R/S/E, you can glitch stuff in D/P (Japanese version; there are glitches to get Darkrai and Shaymin/Sheimi already, even though their events aren't out yet, and it seems likely to have a way to get Arceus/Aruseus), and so on and so forth.
As for the cheating... ehh... There's been a decent amount of stuff with MPH and MKDS anyway. |
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... Level: 73 Posts: 386/1220 EXP: 3368414 Next: 117454 Since: 03-25-07 From: no Last post: 6097 days Last view: 6081 days |
WFC has been useless for a while now. ARDS, ROM hacks, Dipstar, and its incredibly stupid design have all made sure of that. Nintendo doesn't seem to give a rat's ass. |
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Spike Dragon Level: 57 Posts: 299/705 EXP: 1483687 Next: 2241 Since: 02-19-07 From:
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Yeah, even if they solve this AR problem, there's a lot more that can be done, like HH said, hacks and such. It IS a flash cart after all, doesn't mean you can't put unofficial roms on it.
Of course, Nintendo could fix it by doing md5 checks or something. ____________________ |
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Cobrat Level: 56 Posts: 149/672 EXP: 1380690 Next: 17486 Since: 02-19-07 From: Hi Last post: 3473 days Last view: 2705 days |
Some Pokemon game gives you some unremovable label that you're a haxor or something. ____________________ |
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