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Pac
Posted on 04-13-07 09:27 PM Link | Quote | ID: 26367


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Posted by Rich
I'd go back to last year and convince myself not to get into a relationship with my ex.
So you do that, and the present changes, and you haven't gone out with your ex. Which means you have no reason to go back and convince yourself not to, so you don't, so the past-you does go out with your ex. So the present-you does go back to convince yourself not to. So the present changes, and you haven't gone out with your ex, and the universe implodes.

Paradox. Unless of course the change you make stems another timeline, in which you haven't gone out with your ex. Leaving the present-you with no where to go but back to your own timeline (if you can, and if you don't want there to be two instances of you in the same time) where you actually have gone out with your ex.

Did I go too far?

Black Lord
Posted on 04-13-07 10:02 PM Link | Quote | ID: 26371


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I'd go back to the late 1600's, and shake Sir Isaac Newton's hand.

And that would be it.

Nothing else.

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Posted on 04-13-07 10:02 PM Link | Quote | ID: 26372


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Posted by Pac
Posted by Rich
I'd go back to last year and convince myself not to get into a relationship with my ex.
So you do that, and the present changes, and you haven't gone out with your ex. Which means you have no reason to go back and convince yourself not to, so you don't, so the past-you does go out with your ex. So the present-you does go back to convince yourself not to. So the present changes, and you haven't gone out with your ex, and the universe implodes.

Paradox. Unless of course the change you make stems another timeline, in which you haven't gone out with your ex. Leaving the present-you with no where to go but back to your own timeline (if you can, and if you don't want there to be two instances of you in the same time) where you actually have gone out with your ex.

Did I go too far?


He could later go back into the past and give himself the same speech, preventing the paradox.

Pac
Posted on 04-13-07 10:12 PM Link | Quote | ID: 26376


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Posted by witeasprinwow
He could later go back into the past and give himself the same speech, preventing the paradox.
*scratches head*

You're right. I guess that situation isn't as similar to the Grandfather Paradox as I thought.

Lunar MM
Posted on 04-13-07 10:48 PM Link | Quote | ID: 26386


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I'd go disco-dance with Thomas Edison.

Seriously, I'd go back and stop myself from entering this post.

Higsby
Posted on 04-13-07 11:37 PM Link | Quote | ID: 26394


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I would go back to last week when I was invited to a party (without an invitation). I accidentally forgot all of the details so I planed on asking him to repeat them today. Wouldn't you know he didn't come to school today

Davros
Posted on 04-13-07 11:39 PM Link | Quote | ID: 26396


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I would probably go back in time and ruin Chuck Norris' career in order to stop the Chuck Norris facts from ever appearing on the internet.

Yeah, that's evil.

RT-55J
Posted on 04-14-07 02:27 AM Link | Quote | ID: 26435

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Posted by Davros
I would probably go back in time and ruin Chuck Norris' career in order to stop the Chuck Norris facts from ever appearing on the internet.

Chuck Norris would kill you before you would even be able to find a time machine.

Metal Knuckles
Posted on 04-14-07 03:26 AM Link | Quote | ID: 26444


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And then he would take the time machine a year back ata time and kill you again and again. And when the paradox came up, we would roundhouse kick that as well.

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Posted on 04-14-07 07:05 AM (rev. 2 of 04-14-07 07:05 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 26492

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1) Take my video camera back to film the whole Jesus incident.
2) Go back to grade 11 or so and ask Melanie out dammit.
3) If possible, go to the future and get some sort of technology to stop or severely slow my aging, then go back to 1960 and enjoy the 60s, 70s and 80s without being an old fart at the end.
4)
Posted by Davros
I would probably go back in time and ruin Chuck Norris' career in order to stop the Chuck Norris facts from ever appearing on the internet.

5) Go back to various times that I did stupid things and make myself not do them. (See also: 2.)

Also:
Posted by blackhole89
I would go to Ancient Japan to attack the giant enemy crab's weakpoint for massive damage.

You win an Internet.

Doritokiller
Posted on 04-14-07 07:34 AM Link | Quote | ID: 26501


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Oh, and punch idiots from kindergarten. And would-be idiots, years later.

sports allmanak plz i need 4 1985

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Cat Justice
Posted on 04-14-07 07:37 AM Link | Quote | ID: 26504


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I would go back to the time when Sir Francis Drake sabotaged the Spanish Armada and tag along to watch him plunder the ships. Pirates kick ass!

HyperHacker
Posted on 04-14-07 07:56 AM Link | Quote | ID: 26514

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Oh yeah, how could I forget:
6) Take some winning lottery numbers back.
Posted by Doritokiller
Oh, and punch idiots from kindergarten. And would-be idiots, years later.

sports allmanak plz i need 4 1985

7) And would-be idiots' fathers repeatedly in the scrotum, before they have a chance to produce said idiot.
8) Go back to when I made my previous post and remind myself of these.

emcee
Posted on 04-14-07 08:23 AM Link | Quote | ID: 26516


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Take a whiz in the primordial soup.

I never understood why paradoxes would happen, though. This is time travel, the cause can happen after the effect, that's the whole point. You can't go back in time and kill your grandfather, because you wouldn't be there if you did. Just the same you can't go back in time and kill Hitler because you would already have read that you did it in the history books that you had done it.

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Posted on 04-14-07 08:30 AM Link | Quote | ID: 26520

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That's why it's called a multiverse people. Separate (spelling?) timelimes and all that jazz.

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Posted on 04-14-07 08:46 AM Link | Quote | ID: 26524

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Posted by emcee
Take a whiz in the primordial soup.

I never understood why paradoxes would happen, though. This is time travel, the cause can happen after the effect, that's the whole point. You can't go back in time and kill your grandfather, because you wouldn't be there if you did. Just the same you can't go back in time and kill Hitler because you would already have read that you did it in the history books that you had done it.
That's what creates a paradox. If you kill your grandfather you're never born, so you aren't around to kill him, so he doesn't get killed and you are born and later go back and kill him, and so on. It creates an infinite loop.

emcee
Posted on 04-14-07 08:51 AM Link | Quote | ID: 26527


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Why would you create another timeline just because you went back in time? The whole point of going back in time is to go to a time before now, so anything you do once you get back in time already happened.

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Posted on 04-14-07 08:53 AM Link | Quote | ID: 26529

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But if it doesnt work that way and indeed creates another timeline you'd still be screwed and the other "you" would be happy but not the current you.

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emcee
Posted on 04-14-07 09:18 AM Link | Quote | ID: 26534


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My very limited understanding of special relativity is that causality is relative to the observer. So although the cause must follow the effect, that's from the perspective of the time traveler(s). So if you were to go back in time and kill your grandfather, from your perspective, first you went back in time, and second you killed your grandfather. But from the perspective of an outside observer, first your killed your grandfather, and later on you went back in time.

Since all outside observers see that your grandfather lived a full life, bearing many offspring, instead of being killed by someone who looks vaguely like him, followed by the universe imploding, apparently you're not going to go back in time and kill him. And why would you want to? I'm sure he is/was a great guy.

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JDavis
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First, I'd do some experiments to determine which system of fictional time travel the universe really works under...


  1. Single timeline, predestined: Only one universe, and anything I do in the past has already occurred before I go back in time and do it.

  2. Single timeline, alterable: Only one universe, past can be altered, changes to history affect me (or anything with me) as well.

  3. Multiverse: Any change, or rather every trip, actually creates a new timeline. While it appears that altering history is possible, it isn't really as the original timeline is still left intact. As such, I cannot do anything which would negate my own existence, or my ability to time travel in the first place.



The second type would be the hardest to prove... This isn't some simplified fictional work. If I took a piece of paper back in time with me, then found that same piece of paper in the past and wrote on it, the piece of paper I brought with me wouldn't be the only thing that would be changed.... My memory would be as well! It would seem to me that that writing was already on the piece of paper before I went back in time. How this would work is really a confusing matter. Essentially, things may always appear to be predestined. The potential for paradoxes in the act of trying to prove if it's this or not is high as well (but only if it is).

Anyway, if I prove that everything is actually within a multiverse setting, I'd first go to the future, gather up all sorts of advanced technological and medical information and such, including (I would hope) some sort of secret to eternal life/youth, if possible. Then I'd go on some adventures somewhere between the present and the period where I got all that technology. Finally, if I felt like retiring to a more peaceful life, I'd go back in time to within my lifetime, slowly set my that-timeline self up to live a more successful life than my own, make sure he also has the right info to obtain or build the time machine, and when he leaves to go on HIS adventures, I'd just take his place and live off the profits of selling technology from the future (but not my most advanced stuff, of course). I'd still keep my time machine so if I felt like going back to adventuring, or if that timeline becomes too dangerous (possibly as a result of introducing futuristic technology to it), I can go back to adventuring or whatever.

If I manage to prove it's a predestined timeline, it won't really matter what I chose to do, since it won't change anything.

If I somehow manage to prove that it's a single alterable timeline, I might just destroy the time machine (or whatever) because, frankly, it's too fucking dangerous.
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