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| Should we make a collab hack? | |
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 Crow Level: 42 Posts: 338/387 EXP: 489623 Next: 31739 Since: 12-01-11 From: Hungary Last post: 917 days Last view: 808 days |
You guys... F****** stop already. AT LEAST TODAY!
Board 2 changed completely... In a bad sense... |
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 Bubble Level: 66 Posts: 908/981 EXP: 2343463 Next: 118388 Since: 04-25-07 Last post: 96 days Last view: 304 days |
If they quit rehashing what had happen weeks ago we wouldn't even be talking about this.
I want to see this project get moving again but as it stands now it won't |
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 Giant Red Paratroopa Level: 77 Posts: 1292/1440 EXP: 4015556 Next: 175573 Since: 06-15-08 From: Earth Last post: 67 days Last view: 49 days |
MegaEliteGamers emailed me about the posts in this topic, though I normally try to check on the board everyday anyway, even if I don't actually sign in.
While I could definitely add a lot to what has already been said here, it'll just be the same continuous cycle with people still not focusing on committing to a Board 2 collaborative project or doing anything towards seeing one work out to completion, so I'll be the bigger person and just ignore it. The focus this entire time was supposed to be working together as a community to create something to express our unity. Instead, it's just caused more and more friction, the complete opposite goal. Still, none of these posts that are expressing the desire to see the project through have even taken any necessary steps to actually contributing physical progress. So, let's just drop all of this unnecessary ego-driven madness and focus on working on a project, if you're actually still sincere about doing something. Before anyone misinterprets my words as angry or malicious, like I've already been trying to do, I'm focusing on the potential existence of a Board 2 collaborative hack. I speak as calmly and generally as positively as I possibly can whenever I post. For those who believe otherwise, please go back and read my other posts in this topic, or basically anywhere. Any beliefs that my posts have ever been losing my temper are just from an oversensitive perception. As far as Board Fight is concerned, it's completed and I don't want to have to worry about it anymore. I greatly appreciate the time and efforts of the people who took a few minutes to draw out a level design for me to insert into the hack. Special acknowledgement for the following super special awesome folks:  Mattrizzle
MegaEliteGamers mrrichard999 Static Thermoptic Vicious Poetry  Zieldak
I also very much appreciate  blackhole89's interest and attempts to come up with ideas to help bring the project's progress forward.
So, like MegaEliteGamers already pointed out, a collaborative attempt will have to be a new project at this point. While it's been suggested that kuja killer's/Thanatos-Zero's and Trinitronity's Mega Man 3 hacks and  Googie's Dark Mario Super Mario Bros. 3 hack be joined and worked on together, it's my personal opinion that those aren't really community original projects, but rather individual projects that would be attempting to bring other people in to work on what is already there. A Board 2 project should be something that we all come up with together, and contribute equal efforts together.
Despite everything that's happened during this topic and past attempted Board 2 collaborations, and how it's ultimately caused me to feel concerning people actually pulling one off, for whatever overly positive reasons, I would still be willing to try yet again. However, I'm not going to be the one who tries to get a project that no one else is interested in working on going again. It's up to other people who have so far only talked about it and now should be the ones who do something about it. Consider this. If this was a school assignment, time would have expired before a game to hack was even decided and agreed on, and you all would have flunked it. When it comes to school, even for a test, if you don't know the answer to a question, you would still try your best. That's all that I was ever asking. For my own attempted contributions to be met. Not just overly criticized and not helped. Even if willing individual participants managed to each set aside 15 minutes every day to commit to this project, there would be more progress in a week than there was in this topic over the past month with me basically putting everything together for Board Fight. Even just coming into the topic to post that you won't be available to work on the project for a couple days or so would still be better than not saying, let alone doing anything. Offers to beta test before we even have anything are, evidently, not helpful so early in a potential project. Physical contributions are what are needed. The first step is still the same basic one that none of us ever really agreed on. Which game(s) should we make a hack of? There have already been a few suggestions aside from suggestions to join projects that already exist as works in progress: one of the Mega Man games, Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros. 3, Wheel of Fortune, and a Game Boy Advance game (though I don't believe that we're ready for something bigger like that yet). After we decide and people actually volunteer, depending on the specific game, we can determine which utilities are available to use (if any), share resources for information, and make a to-do list for figuring out where we can each start. Once again, I have my own projects that I would like to work on, so I'm committing my own time and effort to Board 2 for this, just like last time. It's not necessarily all about me wanting to see one through, since I'm not the only person who would enjoy and appreciate a Board 2 hack being completed, but I can safely declare that I made the most effort the previous try. If everyone else would share that same ROM hacking passion, we wouldn't be where we are right now. So Mike-Tech, if you really do want to see any Board 2 project work out as much as I do, then please help us out here. Help us figure out a game to hack, and then offer to do some of the tasks for it that are necessary to hack the game. I asked you at least once if you wanted to earn the easiest ROM hacking contribution that you could have asked for and draw out a level for Board Fight, and all you said was that you would wait for the project to be completed. How is that helping at all? Please actually answer my questions if you want to reply, and hopefully contribute. Ignorance doesn't create a hack out of thin air. You don't truly know the full joys and pains of committing to a thorough, complete ROM hacking project until you do one yourself, so there's no possible way that you can rightly judge as much as you have in this topic until you actually do what the entire topic was created to achieve. I have the most right to judge here because I had the greatest stake and investment in it so far. If you really would have contributed anything concrete to the Board Fight collaborative project attempt, your name would have been included in the above list. It's time for all of us to refocus, or just admit that it's time to call it quits, and we can all proceed with our own hobbies, whether it's playing games, making hacks of them on our own, or collecting air in glass jars. Thank you in advance for any focus, direction and contributions that anyone can help return to this endeavor. |
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Bubble Level: 66 Posts: 909/981 EXP: 2343463 Next: 118388 Since: 04-25-07 Last post: 96 days Last view: 304 days |
Posted by Quick Curly Welcome back and merry christmas to you too. |
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Giant Red Paratroopa Level: 77 Posts: 1294/1440 EXP: 4015556 Next: 175573 Since: 06-15-08 From: Earth Last post: 67 days Last view: 49 days |
Posted by Mike-TechThanks. Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to you too. Now, do you want to stop posting about every possible subject other than the collaborative hack, so that anything that you've said actually means something? EDIT: Okay, look. I've asked you twice now, and you still aren't trying, despite your claims that you've already helped (which you haven't). I'm really not seeking out an argument because that's not the kind of person I am, despite your threat to report me to staff (ironically, you're the one who should be reported). The way that you continue to reply to everybody, always thinking about yourself and acting like you're in control of the entire board, you've seriously got to be trolling. Nobody can honestly be this hypocritical and egotistical without it being intentional. |
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Bubble Level: 66 Posts: 910/981 EXP: 2343463 Next: 118388 Since: 04-25-07 Last post: 96 days Last view: 304 days |
I already mentioned I can't hack it in hex, besides that there is no editor for it which are you fully aware of.
This is why I said it was test it, debug it and offer a suggestion. Please look back again and you'll see already that I mentioned I tested it. Would you like me to host the rom I patched up for proof or gladly take my word for it and get this project going ? |
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Giant Red Paratroopa Level: 77 Posts: 1295/1440 EXP: 4015556 Next: 175573 Since: 06-15-08 From: Earth Last post: 67 days Last view: 49 days |
I appreciate that specific interest in the Balloon Fight level hack project, but I wasn't looking for someone to test it. While it was going on, what we needed was content. Romhacking.net doesn't even recognize beta testing as a potential credit for a hack's page. I don't doubt that it takes time and effort in its own right though, but it's still not creating something. It's just judging something in a fraction of the time that it took to create it. I realize that I'm alone in this perception, but to me, criticisms are pointless because nothing is perfect and when someone looks at something, they're always going to find something wrong with it, so what's the point? Everyone likes something different, so even appealing to some people means that you won't appeal to others.
You can reread my posts that kept establishing that project as a means of familiarizing everyone with working with one another. It was supposed to lead up to a bigger project. The fact that there wasn't a user-friendly, game-specific utility was an opportunity to learn more about working directly in a hex editor. While I can understand and sympathize that you don't currently know how to hex edit, you're holding yourself back by not believing and acting on attempts to learn. I could even put together text and visual tutorials to provide you with personal guidance to teach you at your own pace, but I also offered to do the same thing to help you with your BPS patching related issues, and you didn't take me up on it. Not that I'm immediately coming to a negative conclusion, but I have doubts that you will take me up on this offer either. Again, the Balloon Fight level hacking project is done. When it comes to a Board 2 project, you're still referring to the Balloon Fight project, but I'm not. It will really help to wait to receive input from other people besides just the two of us, but what game would you be interested in hacking? Preferably not Super Mario World since that's what everybody makes individual and group projects of anymore, but it wouldn't really be right of me to completely leave out the possibility; even though, in my own personal opinion, it's not a very original, interesting, or groundbreaking choice. Either way though, you have an opportunity to suggest a game that does have specific utilities that help you visually modify the game and avoid having to open the ROM file in a hex editor, and work with multiple other people (provided there are any) to build a hack of it. If you don't act on the opportunities presented before you, you have no one to blame besides yourself in whether there's success or failure. Excuse me for continuously trying, but at least I am. |
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Bubble Level: 66 Posts: 911/981 EXP: 2343463 Next: 118388 Since: 04-25-07 Last post: 96 days Last view: 304 days |
Posted by Quick Curly Given all that let the public decide what they want, there are quite a few things to pick from. However like you mentioned which is important to remember its not about you or anyone else. I don't care about receiving glory for being in a project or being recognized from another rom hacking forum. So would you like this project to continue or not, since your the leader for it I want you to decide today. Not tomorrow not week not even next year if you continue with it. I'll keep doing what I have been for the project and leave it at that. You can teach me whatever you want with hex editing and what not with others too. If you do decide to cancel the project, me and you both will request to the admins to lock this thread and put it in trash forum. That way everyone else will be able to move on and get ready for 2016. |
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 Red Paragoomba Level: 18 Posts: 15/63 EXP: 25959 Next: 3938 Since: 11-11-15 Last post: 2476 days Last view: 2476 days |
Hey Quick. Thanks for offering to try again. Hope more people get involved this time or yeah this topic should just be closed. Where is Termingamer in all of this anyway? Wasn't it his idea? As for a game I know you're most familiar with SMB3 Quick but how hard would it be to hack the first Mario Nes game?
Whatever game yeah you can count me in again Quick. |
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 Purple Leever Level: 31 Posts: 123/207 EXP: 183909 Next: 1454 Since: 10-19-12 Last post: 67 days Last view: 3 days |
I nominate this thread to be closed as what Quick Curly says, the hack is already done.
@Mike-Tech: If you really want a collaboration hack, you can make at least some decent hacks to prove your worth as a romhacker and not just grabbing people by the hair to do work for you. Anyways, Happy Holidays, Board2! ____________________  |
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Bubble Level: 66 Posts: 913/981 EXP: 2343463 Next: 118388 Since: 04-25-07 Last post: 96 days Last view: 304 days |
Posted by Zynk Hmm if he doesn't respond tonight, then it will be automatically closed for good. Posted by Zynk Save your breath and petty troll remarks, I told you its not about a one man collab and i never asked for this in the beginning. Merry Christmas to you too as well. |
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Red Paragoomba Level: 18 Posts: 17/63 EXP: 25959 Next: 3938 Since: 11-11-15 Last post: 2476 days Last view: 2476 days |
You're the troll Mike. It's not up to you if a new hack is cancelled. Then again it shouldn't always be up to Quick to start and finish everything. But it's not your call at all. It's just you talking as usual with any made up deadline. |
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Bubble Level: 66 Posts: 914/981 EXP: 2343463 Next: 118388 Since: 04-25-07 Last post: 96 days Last view: 304 days |
Posted by MegaEliteGamers :/ well he gave us options, I don't want to see this project die I mentioned that numerous times. However as it stands now that maybe be the best option you have 4 other members who think thats the best route. Really though if you can work on it through hex editing then please do so, host up the bps patch and we'll play test it. If you don't want to do any of that, then please leave well enough alone and quit taking cheap shots at me and anyone else. Merry christmas and have a nice holiday weekend. |
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 Ropa Banned: repeat sockpuppeting Level: 52 Posts: 314/739 EXP: 1061502 Next: 22338 Since: 08-06-15 From: England Last post: 2282 days Last view: 288 days |
coming from the one who refused to use .bps files and instead asked for a ROM ____________________ Jamie Dignam |
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Bubble Level: 66 Posts: 915/981 EXP: 2343463 Next: 118388 Since: 04-25-07 Last post: 96 days Last view: 304 days |
Posted by Termingamer2-JD I never asked for a rom but rather a ips go ask trinitron what I asked for. =_= Besides that I went ahead and used the bps patch after hearing out quick for so no harm done. |
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Giant Red Paratroopa Level: 77 Posts: 1296/1440 EXP: 4015556 Next: 175573 Since: 06-15-08 From: Earth Last post: 67 days Last view: 49 days |
Mike-Tech: You could clearly see that I was logged out, and you went and tried to say this:Posted by Mike-TechSee, I can quote and put lines through everything someone else said too. Does that really make you feel like the big man on campus? Anyway, someone who was sincere about what they only just said within 2 hours and truly wanted to see a Board 2 collaborative project succeed wouldn't try to say that the person who came back to try yet again had to reply and repeat what they had already stated or else it means that the topic should be closed. How obnoxious and hypocritical. Once again, I do have to repeat myself because you refuse to actually read posts and use plain logic while replying, but if you're not going to help try to keep this project going, then you should just stop posting and stay out of this thread. For how many times you've replied in this thread and haven't contributed anything, you're obviously just doing it for the "postcount++" intention. Having your negativity show up in every other post is probably not helping to encourage other people to make on-topic replies about any attempt at a collaborative hack. You still haven't even made any suggestions on a new game to hack. You're still going on about the Balloon Fight project. I already confirmed that it's done, and now so has Zynk. I clearly bolded and underlined it in my previous post so that you could more easily take that in. However, that doesn't mean that a new project can't still work out, or that we shouldn't all try again. Close this topic and get ready for 2016? Get ready for what? What can you offer to continue trying to encourage more Board 2 activity and participation instead? Posted by Mike-TechBut you keep doing the opposite actions of someone who wants to see a project succeed. Yes, you have options - an unlimited potential list of games to choose from and any number of possible ways a project could go. Participate in the brainstorming. Posted by Mike-TechNot trying is never the best route. Calling it quits just because it's easier is no way to get on through life. Who are the 4 people who supposedly think this? So far 6 different members have posted on this page, but none of them have stated this specifically. Zynk mentioned the idea of closing the topic, but primarily because the Balloon Fight hack (the first attempt) is already done, but there's always the potential for another try. Plus, if you're including yourself in that count, well then, you're proving your hypocrisy and bull crap yet again because you're trying to establish that you're for a Board 2 collaborative effort. Posted by Mike-TechWhen you say "BPS patch", you're basically saying that you're still going on about the Balloon Fight project. The 1.0 version has been submitted to and is available on Romhacking.net. It's hosted. So what are you going on about? Forget about the Balloon Fight project. It's too late for you to do anything about it. Posted by Mike-TechPlease stop provoking me and everyone else then. You stated before that you didn't ask for any of this, but you are by continuously posting about everything besides just focusing on suggesting and acting on purely hack ideas. If you want the drama to stop, then stop creating it. Zynk's post wasn't even trolling, so how dare you attack him too. Posted by Mike-TechThen you were basically asking for a ROM. You can reread my explanation about how both the IPS and BPS patching formats work. It sounds like you still don't understand what I said. Posted by Mike-TechThen why are you still asking it to be hosted? The completed version of the second Balloon Fight level hack is available. When I'm referring to a Board 2 collaborative hack now, it's the potential for a new project. There's no point in continuing on about the Balloon Fight project. I already got it. People didn't want to hex edit because it's too difficult for them. They need many visual utilities. Though we'll see how much more of a difference that it'll make. Zynk: Thank you for your support and understanding, and for being the Romhacking.net staff member who has approved my most recent hack submissions.  With regards to your submission reply, I tried to create a group community page for "A Bunch of Folks" only because I believed that other collaborative projects might work out in the future at some point, similar to the BaddestHacks.net group community page, but I definitely agree that there was little payoff to, considering history. This is probably not the best place to try something serious, even though there are generally 20 or so people who bother to log in per day, but then never post anything; so I still figured that there was maybe a slight chance, given the right timing and circumstance. The Balloon Fight attempt probably didn't get too much participation because most people didn't want to bother editing hex directly. Perhaps another honest try with a more commonly hacked game could potentially draw some people in. Yes, the chances are extremely slim to none, but I've always wanted a Board 2 collaborative hack to succeed, so when Termingamer2-JD started this thread and people were replying positively to the idea, I thought that it was a good indication that chances were better, only for nothing to really even be decided. I guess I'm too much of an optimist and too passionate when it comes to ROM hacking, but at least it makes up for the people out there who aren't. I like being able to participate in and contribute to the ROM hacking communities, when I have the time and opening to get involved.
MegaEliteGamers: I haven't hacked Super Mario Bros., but it's well documented, and I definitely played through it countless times while growing up, so I believe that I could figure things out with it. My good friend dougeff actually was looking into a potential Super Mario Bros. project over the summer and asked me if I wanted to participate; however, unfortunately, it was at the time when I was still working on Cosmic Balloon Assault and the Balloon Fight Level Hacking documentation, so I wasn't truly available enough to get involved at the time. It's been a while so I could always check in to see what he's been up to lately, and see if he would want people to get involved with it, if he's worked on it along with his homebrew games. |
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Posted by Quick Curly I don't even know your ip address when looking at online users nor do I bother to look at online users. 
When you come is when your come, when you leave is when you leave. :/ |
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Ropa Banned: repeat sockpuppeting Level: 52 Posts: 316/739 EXP: 1061502 Next: 22338 Since: 08-06-15 From: England Last post: 2282 days Last view: 288 days |
I said about that ban thing, because like EVERYTHING in the late part of this thread, all you did was troll people.
I join to vote to close this thread now this 'collaboration' is done. i'm sorry to see it go to hell like this, but also sorry I couldn't design a level or such despite being the topic creator in the first place. ____________________ Jamie Dignam |
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Bubble Level: 66 Posts: 918/981 EXP: 2343463 Next: 118388 Since: 04-25-07 Last post: 96 days Last view: 304 days |
Posted by Termingamer2-JD If you would look at quicks posts some you would realize he would still teach you here or one on one personally. That way you can learn and make your own, if you don't want that, I don't know what else to tell you. :/ |
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Giant Red Paratroopa Level: 77 Posts: 1298/1440 EXP: 4015556 Next: 175573 Since: 06-15-08 From: Earth Last post: 67 days Last view: 49 days |
Posted by Mike-TechWhat does that have to do with what I said? There are visible statuses for a member's last post and last view. Mine at the time were from hours ago. You could have easily realized that I hadn't been around the board since posting earlier that day with you and that there was a good possibility that I wouldn't have seen your outrageous, out-of-place demand to reply to you before the next day.
Not that it really matters, because it seems like no one else besides me and MegaEliteGamers are willing to try a new project so far, so why should we waste our own time on what's supposed to be a ROM hacking community, but doesn't even want to work on a ROM hack together, or even feels like they're capable of doing so? Why are some of you even here at all then? I don't mean that maliciously either. I'm honestly curious as to what motivates some of you. Posted by Mike-TechAgain, what does that have to do with anything that I said? You continue to avoid the situations at hand. I was gone for almost a month because I realized that I had to go elsewhere to try to get help to finish what should have been a Board 2 collaborative hack, but didn't turn out to be. I came back after encouragement from a great friend of mine to give people the benefit of the doubt from last time and try again, but once again, my own contributions have no chance of being equally met. So yeah, as far as I'm concerned, while Board 2 in the past had a better chance of potentially pulling off a group hack, even though it unfortunately never did, today's Board 2 doesn't at all. It really hurts for me to conclude that, not that it probably even affects anybody else emotionally, and it's one case that I didn't want to be proven right. I'll send personal messages to staff to please close this so that it can't be dug any deeper into its grave. MegaEliteGamers: You're still free to collaborate with me on any other projects that you might wish, and I can still check with dougeff if he's made any progress with his Super Mario Bros. project idea. His homebrew projects always amaze me, and he's a very friendly person. People should check him out and support him. Mike-Tech: I would greatly appreciate in advance that if I'm to revive one of my old topics on here to serve as a personal projects thread that you don't contaminate it with random, self-serving, unhelpful off-topic posts like you did with this attempted Board 2 collaboration thread. If you ever do decide that you'd want to collaborate, you're welcome to. However, otherwise, I'll ignore you and/or report you for off-topic, nonsensical spam. Thank you. |
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