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 Fuzz Ball Level: 64 Posts: 952/956 EXP: 2126659 Next: 87438 Since: 03-02-10 From: Michigan, USA Last post: 4016 days Last view: 1946 days |
Posted by deshaun182Did you tell him they didn't? Because any other answer is wrong. Noah's Ark is one of many stories that populate the bible that are just that: stories. They never were, and never will be meant to be interpreted as straight fact, and the reading of them as such is completely ridiculous. They are stories meant to illustrate a point(God's love for his children, significance of the rainbow, blah blah blah) and this is even clearer when you read the an older jewish version of these stories and see that they're two different stories blended together. It makes a big chunk of these religious books a whole lot easier to swallow when you look at them in that light, and not as a historical recording. As for my personal views? 420 smoke satan every day |
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 Deddorokku Princess of the Night Level: 47 Posts: 368/442 EXP: 736501 Next: 29702 Since: 02-21-07 From: Equestria Last post: 3711 days Last view: 2074 days |
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 Shyguy Level: 23 Posts: 66/92 EXP: 58448 Next: 9275 Since: 04-30-12 Last post: 3180 days Last view: 3159 days |
Yeah, the thing with certain people is that they believe so strongly that their opinions can't be wrong that everyone else is in their eyes.
That's the problem, what you believe and your opinions can't be right or wrong - they are just that, a part of you. We are all different therefore parts of you will be different thus opinions and believes will be too. The sooner people realize that it is possible for you to connect the dots between opinions and realize they are arguing over something that might just be part of the big puzzle (put the pieces together instead of bashing them to fit), the better off we might be. Because really, when you combine a huge resource of opinions/ideas that work together, you gain something...different. Then of course, some people argue for the sake of arguing because it works as some sort of "medication" for their other problems. |
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Fuzz Ball Level: 64 Posts: 953/956 EXP: 2126659 Next: 87438 Since: 03-02-10 From: Michigan, USA Last post: 4016 days Last view: 1946 days |
Posted by Lunaria This wasn't a debate. |
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Posted by HazPosted by deshaun182Did you tell him they didn't? Next time you speak to your friend show him this he'll get a laugh out of it if he reads through it but it will help make more sense to him about the god/bible. Matthew 14:13 One thing you can't force people to do is always force god or the bible down their throats. You can show them an example or let them see where your religion comes from and let them make up their own mind. I know quite a number of people who don't believe in god, but it doesn't drive me away from them. 
Being a christian or whatever similiar to it is not easy. Heck even christians make mistakes or bad choices over their life time and still have a rough life. |
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 Dry Bones Level: 55 Posts: 640/646 EXP: 1285008 Next: 29181 Since: 07-28-07 Last post: 4338 days Last view: 4322 days |
What Haz stated is mostly fact and not opinions. Most of the material which makes up the Old Testament literally interpreted by many evangelicals was originally treated by most jews as metaphorical stories to teach lessons or provide hope.
Despite that most evangelical versions of the Bible will try to tell you that Malachi through Matthew = the silent years, it is likely that many of the books which are ordered before Malachi (ex. Esther, Daniel) were actually afterwards and intended as allegorical tales to inspire jewish revolutionaries :-( This would explain the numerous conflicts between our known historical record of the persian and babylonian empires versus their description in Daniel. "Being a christian or whatever similiar to it is not easy. " It's so hard that 78% of all Americans identify themselves as members of the Christian faith. ____________________ Robocop and 이명박 voted for me. |
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Bubble Level: 66 Posts: 225/981 EXP: 2423002 Next: 38849 Since: 04-25-07 Last post: 497 days Last view: 706 days |
Posted by Nick Question. whats your opinion on the king james bible itself ? Everytime I look through it, it feels much more mature and strict. makes me want to not reference from it not unless the situation I am in calls for it at certain times. Your average bible with straight facts relatiing to old and new testament without issue or force is something I can relate to and feel what the bible is saying. About 78% of christian american people, if you have not given your life "back" to jesus and gotten bapitized in the water like chrst, you aren't officially a christian. Any church will tell you that right away when looking at your religious life. |
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Dry Bones Level: 55 Posts: 641/646 EXP: 1285008 Next: 29181 Since: 07-28-07 Last post: 4338 days Last view: 4322 days |
I don't see the point of your question regarding the KJV and how it relates to what I brought up. I believe this is tangential and am therefore ignoring it.
What are the straight facts relating to the old and new testament that you can relate to and feel? How do you feel facts? Why do you think all churches hold that view? Are you not aware that many Christian sects do not regard baptism as prerequisite to salvation? Would this mean that if for some reason people were born in a place where a water baptism is not possible that they could never be Christians? What would happen to those people? ____________________ Robocop and 이명박 voted for me. |
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Bubble Level: 66 Posts: 226/981 EXP: 2423002 Next: 38849 Since: 04-25-07 Last post: 497 days Last view: 706 days |
Posted by Nick Really I cannot answer for them or you so its not my call to answer you, but I don't think god will let you into heaven when you die and meet him. 
Have a close look at mark and be the judge yourself. |
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Posted by Nick The Catholic Church actually teaches that if one is in a place where they could not possibly be baptized or desire to be baptized, but are unable to, in their death they are baptized. There's also Baptism of Blood what is when someone is martyred without being baptized. ____________________ -Ninjablooper  |
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Dry Bones Level: 55 Posts: 642/646 EXP: 1285008 Next: 29181 Since: 07-28-07 Last post: 4338 days Last view: 4322 days |
Posted by MikeFuryXPPosted by Nick When someone asks you a question, they are asking you what you think. So to be clear, you believe that if someone does not engage in a singular ritual regardless of the total sum of anything else they do in their life, they are denied the everlasting eternity in heaven that you believe you yourself will receive simply for having done it? You say it's not 'your call to answer', but we're talking about the difference between people being damned to hell or going to paradise in your view. How can you be so flippantly casual? ____________________ Robocop and 이명박 voted for me. |
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Bubble Level: 66 Posts: 228/981 EXP: 2423002 Next: 38849 Since: 04-25-07 Last post: 497 days Last view: 706 days |
Sorry nick, but I refuse to answer you, I don't know what kind of answer you want out of me, but I cannot answer you on the matter.
I don't speak for everyone on religion, if I did it would be pretty chaotic just like with anyone else speaking on religion topics. Thats why I said in this topic I don't care much to talk about it, and in the end, stuff always turns ugly in the end. If you want a real answer, seek it from a very good credible church or someone you trust who can make sense of the bible facts to you. |
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Fuzz Ball Level: 64 Posts: 954/956 EXP: 2126659 Next: 87438 Since: 03-02-10 From: Michigan, USA Last post: 4016 days Last view: 1946 days |
Posted by MikeFuryXP He doesn't want you to speak for everyone, he just wants your own personal opinion on the matter. Once again: he does not want to turn to a church, a pastor, a nun, a rabbi, an imam, or any random person on the street; he is simply asking your own view on the matter. |
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Bubble Level: 66 Posts: 229/981 EXP: 2423002 Next: 38849 Since: 04-25-07 Last post: 497 days Last view: 706 days |
Posted by HazPosted by MikeFuryXP Yes nick, let how jesus does it when he was baptised: What is baptism? Baptism is the washing with water in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. It signifies and seals our ingrafting into Christ and partaking of the benefits of the covenant of Grace and our engagement to be His. Quite simply, Jesus was baptized so he could enter into the Melchizedek priesthood so He could be the High Priest and offer Himself as a sacrifice for our sins. In Matthew 3:13-15 it says, "Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. But John tried to deter him, saying, iI need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?' Jesus replied, 'Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.'" Jesus got baptized to fulfill all righteousness. Exodus 29:1-7, "This is what you are to do to consecrate them, so they may serve me as priests: Take a young bull and two rams without defect. And from fine wheat flour, without yeast, make bread, and cakes mixed with oil, and wafers spread with oil. Put them in a basket and present them in it -- along with the bull and the two rams. Then bring Aaron and his sons to the entrance to the Tent of Meeting and wash them with water. Take the garments and dress Aaron with the tunic, the robe of the ephod, the ephod itself and the breast piece. Fasten the ephod on him by its skillfully woven waistband. Put the turban on his head and attach the sacred diadem to the turban. Take the anointing oil and anoint him by pouring it on his head." Oil is a type of the Holy Spirit: "But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth...As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit -- just as it has taught you, remain in him," (1 John 2:20,27). The Holy Spirit descended from heaven as a dove and rested upon Jesus (Matt. 3:16). Jesus was baptized because He had to fulfill the legal requirements for entering into the priesthood. He was priest after the order of Melchizedek (Psalm 110:4; Heb. 5:8-10; 6:20). Priests offered sacrifice to God on behalf of the people. Jesus became a sacrifice for our sin (1 Pet. 2:24; 2 Cor. 5:21) in His role as priest. If anyone calls themselves a christian and does not get baptised... You can't get into heaven without it, if god asks for it and he sent his son jesus to do it, what makes us think we are exempt from it ? |
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Deddorokku Princess of the Night Level: 47 Posts: 371/442 EXP: 736501 Next: 29702 Since: 02-21-07 From: Equestria Last post: 3711 days Last view: 2074 days |
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Posted by Lunaria We're fine miss luna, really were just playing some cards, shootin in the breeze and having the typical hostile people chat fight like always.
If something catches on fire in the back, we'll signal for you Miss Luna. Now get back to that honkeytonk piano and play something fast while we continue this:
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Posted by MikeFuryXPPosted by HazPosted by MikeFuryXP So your feeling is that anyone who is not baptized, even if they profess to be a christian and follow all of your rules in accordance and believe in jesus as their savior but do not complete this one ritual, god will send them to hell? I guess I have to go back to also my previous question(s): Would this mean that if for some reason people were born in a place where a water baptism is not possible that they could never be Christians? What would happen to those people? ____________________ Robocop and 이명박 voted for me. |
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Posted by ninjablooperPosted by Nick I sort of already answered that... ____________________ -Ninjablooper |
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Posted by NickPosted by MikeFuryXPPosted by HazPosted by MikeFuryXP |
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Posted by MikeFuryXPPosted by NickPosted by MikeFuryXPPosted by HazPosted by MikeFuryXP I'm asking for your opinion. Why do you not want this conversation? Do you not care about what happens to other people? By saying 'thats as honest as I can get with you' does that mean you could be more honest but are intentionally holding back? Do you just not care about what would happen to these (metaphorical) people in my question? ____________________ Robocop and 이명박 voted for me. |
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