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Nick
Posted on 05-20-12 08:17 PM Link | Quote | ID: 150978


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It's the very least you can do.

On May 20th, 2012 Heritage Auctions will place scientifically important fossils from Central Asia, including a Tyrannosaurus (also known as Tarbosaurus) bataar skeleton (lot 49315), on the auction block. These fossils are strongly suspected by scientists from Mongolia and the United States of having been illegally collected from Mongolia. Mongolian law forbids the export and sale of fossils collected in the country. The President of Mongolia, and scientists from Mongolia and the United States have spoken out against this apparent theft of the scientific heritage of Mongolia. These priceless scientific and natural resources belong to the people of Mongolia and should be returned to their rightful owners, not sold to the highest bidder.

If Hertiage Auctions has compelling evidence that these fossils were not illegally collected from Monglia they should disclose that information immediately.

2012 оны 5 сарын 20-ны өдөр, Херитэйж Аокшн байгууллага Төв Азиас олдсон гэх шинжлэх ухааны чухал ач холбогдолтой эртний олдвор болох "Тринозаурус /өөрөөр Тарбозавр гэж нэрлэгддэг/ Батаар" динозаврын олдвор (лот 49315)-ыг дуудлага худалдаагаар үнэ хаялцуулж зарахаар төлөвлөж байна. Монгол болон Америкийн эрдэмтэд энэхүү олдворыг Монголоос олдсон бөгөөд хууль бус аргаар хил гаргасан байх бүрэн магадлалтай гэж үзэж байна. Монгол улсын нутаг дэвсгэрт олдсон эртний олдворыг хилээр гаргах ба зарахыг хуулиар хориглосон байдаг. Монгол Улсын ерөнхийлөгч, Монгол болон Америкийн эрдэмтэд шинжлэх ухааны энэ үнэт өв болсон олдворыг хулгайлсан байж болох үйл явдлыг эсэргүүцэж мэдэгдлүүд гаргаад байна. Энэхүү шинжлэх ухааны болон байгалийн хосгүй өв нь Монголын ард түмнийх учир үнэ хаялцуулж зараxгүйгээр даруйхан эх оронд нь буцаавал зохистой гэж үзэж байна.


Хэрэв Херитэйж Аокшн байгууллага энэ олдвор Монголоос олдоогүй гэсэн баталгаа мэдээлэл байгаа бол даруйхан олон нийтэд мэдэгдэх нь зүйтэй.


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A judge has ruled a temporary restraining order to stop Heritage Auctions from going through the auction of the Tarbosaurus skeleton.

Temporary Restraining Order Issued by Texas Judge Halts Dinosaur Sale

Late this evening, Saturday May 19, at approximately 10PM CDT, Brian Switek reports on the Laelaps blog on Wired.com that a Texas District Court judge has issued a temporary restraining order to halt the sale of the Tarbosaurus skeleton following an application filed on behalf of His Excellency Elbegdorj Tsakhia, President of Mongolia. The latest details can be found at the bottom of Switek's blogpost linked below.

While the fate of the remaining fossils suspected to have been improperly removed from Mongolia is unclear this represents a tremendous, but provisional victory. Much work remains to ensure that the status of these fossils is fully investigated, and to restore them to their rightful caretakers if they have been improperly removed. The outcome of this incident will send a powerful message to those who seek to profit by violating and evading the proper local legal and scientific procedures required to collect scientifically significant fossils.

Thanks for your support.



However, petition signatures are still collecting as there are more fossils up for auction on Heritage Auctions which were likely collected in the same way given that Mongolia is the only place in the world where these species of dinosaurs are found.

Additional resources to consult for more information on the situation:

Stop the Tarbosaurus auction @Wired Science by Brian Switek
The dreadful truth about that Tyrannosaurus auction @Love in the Time of Chasmosaurs by David Orr



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Lunaria
Posted on 05-20-12 08:33 PM Link | Quote | ID: 150980


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I know it's rather terrible and all that, but I need to ask: How is a petition going to help again?

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Nick
Posted on 05-20-12 08:42 PM Link | Quote | ID: 150981


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Posted by Lunaria
I know it's rather terrible and all that, but I need to ask: How is a petition going to help again?

Clearly you didn't read the links. The petition was presented and used to get a TRO. Continued signatures will indicate a large amount of public support towards getting the rest of the fossils from being auctioned off and further investigation into Heritage Auctions' business practices as well as seizure of the illegally collected material and its return to Mongolia. Individuals involved in organising the petition plan to use it to help motivate the case.



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Xeruss
Posted on 05-21-12 03:20 AM Link | Quote | ID: 150996


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Sure, I'll sign your petition. After signing three for an individual I didn't actually know this morning, I'd feel wrong not signing one for Nick.

I don't feel strongly outraged about this or anything, but there's more to lose by not returning the fossils than there is by allowing a private collector to have them.

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Nick
Posted on 05-21-12 03:28 AM Link | Quote | ID: 150997


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Posted by Xeruss
Sure, I'll sign your petition. After signing three for an individual I didn't actually know this morning, I'd feel wrong not signing one for Nick.

I don't feel strongly outraged about this or anything, but there's more to lose by not returning the fossils than there is by allowing a private collector to have them.

I wouldn't be as outraged if it weren't for the blatant lying and constantly changing story by Heritage Auctions regarding the collection of these fossils. =/

Thanks for taking action. At least you're trying to help.

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Posted on 06-01-12 02:27 AM (rev. 2 of 06-01-12 02:32 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 151152


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An update.

Auctioned Tarbosaurus Yet to be Determined
by Brian Switek



The auctioned Tarbosaurus skeleton. Image via Heritage Auctions.

What will become of the auctioned Tarbosaurus skeleton? Paleontologists have been wondering about the illicit dinosaur’s fate ever since it was sold for more than a million dollars late last month. Even though the dinosaur was probably illegally collected from Mongolia, Heritage Auctions officials snarled at their critics and decided to go ahead with the auction anyway. And even though a last-minute restraining order halted the dinosaur’s immediate transfer to an unknown buyer, no one knew what was going to happen next.

For now, at least, the controversial tyrannosaur specimen isn’t going anywhere. Robert Painter, the lawyer who obtained the restraining order against the dinosaur’s sale, has issued a press release stating that the dinosaur is now being examined to determine its origin. “In addition to agreeing to the inspection,” the release says, “Heritage Auctions has, with full permission from its consignor, promptly disclosed to the attorney for the Mongolian President all of the available information related to provenance, chain of custody, shipping manifests and import/export.”

That doesn’t mean the Tarbosaurus is safe. Even if the dinosaur was illegally collected, it may have been legally imported to the United States and still eligible for sale. The mostly complete tyrannosaur could still disappear into someone’s private collection. Even though the dinosaur is part of Mongolia’s prehistoric heritage and should go home to its country of origin, the ultimate fate of this Tarbosaurus has yet to be determined. I haven’t heard any updates about a Tarbosaurus leg that was pulled from auction at Christie’s pending a similar investigation into its provenance.

This isn’t just about the legality of selling dinosaurs. It’s about what happens to a country’s natural history. Too often, significant specimens disappear into private collections where they are rendered effectively useless to scientists. This also cheats the public. It’s true that only a fraction of dinosaurs ever collected go up on display, but paleontologists require a large sample of dinosaurs to investigate anatomy, variation, evolution and other biological information preserved in dinosaur skeletons. Those findings filter through to exhibits, books, documentaries and even Hollywood films. Indeed, while members of the public may not get to see every dinosaur up close and personal, public museums keep those remains in the public trust and draw from those specimens to flesh out the world of the dinosaurs. In a private collection, a dinosaur is robbed of its scientific context and becomes just a decorative prop for the affluent. If you’ve got money to burn, buy a skeletal cast—they are cheaper and easier to mount.

Paleontologist Victoria Arbour also contemplated the strange distrust of paleontologists that cropped up in this controversy. On her blog Pseudoplocephalus, she wrote:

The role of museums is to conserve artifacts for the long haul—not just a few years, not just this generation, but theoretically for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years. Museums also facilitate scientific research (thus contributing new knowledge to society), and education (passing new and old knowledge to members of society). … Because these are publicly-supported institutions, their role is to conserve cultural and natural history artifacts for the people, and so the whole concept of fossils being locked away from the public in museums is largely incorrect.

Indeed, if museums put everything they had out on public display, visitors would probably complain about all the bone fragments, mammal teeth and pieces of turtle shell. Even if museums pick and choose what they display, the science that comes out of their collections influences the public presentation of paleontology. That’s why I hope the Tarbosaurus is saved for science. Every dinosaur contains stories about its life and evolution in its skeleton, and sending the Tarbosaurus back to Mongolia would be a first step in allowing paleontologists to draw out those prehistoric tales.


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