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EggplantPimp
Posted on 09-20-14 09:54 PM Link | Quote | ID: 158460


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Posted by Thanatos-Zero
Most recently I have got this message.
Click me!(Disabled)
I once felt proud to have worked on this game, but no longer.

As long things do not change, I want myself to be removed from the credits.
Also I will no longer see my work as my own, but Infidelity's. Thus I will remove my entire work on that project from my dropbox and my pc.

Infidelity may profit from this game as he wishes, but I won't be any part of this, because I do not accept any valueables from outright breaking the law.
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Edit: I must take back my claims. Infidelity never accepted money from them in the first place.
They did all those things on their own. As such I will not give up my work.




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Insectduel
Posted on 09-21-14 07:42 PM Link | Quote | ID: 158472


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Posted by Thanatos-Zero

Infidelity may profit from this game as he wishes, but I won't be any part of this, because I do not accept any valueables from outright breaking the law.


You can't profit a copyrighted modified game, that's against the law and it's copyright infringement against Nintendo for original coding and other stuff.

daltone
Posted on 09-22-14 12:10 AM Link | Quote | ID: 158476

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another bug, only graphical though, if you have the boots on both a and b then use the b function of the boots link will hold out boots as he runs going up/down, he holds a backwards sword going left/right.

sjdswanlund
Posted on 09-22-14 11:40 AM Link | Quote | ID: 158477

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Posted by Thanatos-Zero
Most recently I have got this message.
Click me!(Disabled)
I once felt proud to have worked on this game, but no longer.

As long things do not change, I want myself to be removed from the credits.
Also I will no longer see my work as my own, but Infidelity's. Thus I will remove my entire work on that project from my dropbox and my pc.

Infidelity may profit from this game as he wishes, but I won't be any part of this, because I do not accept any valueables from outright breaking the law.
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Edit: I must take back my claims. Infidelity never accepted money from them in the first place.
They did all those things on their own. As such I will not give up my work.



I'm so confused. If you are that passionate about the law, why would you work on it to begin with?


This question is for Infidelity -- After you finish working on this hack, do you still plan on working other games? And if so, do you know which one you intend to hack next, or what type of game it will be? The quality of this hack is so impressive, way above the majority of what's available out there, that I'd love to know what we could expect next from you.

Would you be capable of handling 16-bit games, such as Super Nintendo? It would be cool to see you work on A Link to the Past, though in truth I'd prefer to see what you'd be able to do with Metroid or Castlevania. That, or some RPG.

puzzledude
Posted on 09-22-14 12:31 PM Link | Quote | ID: 158478


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There is a great difference between working on a game, because you like it and would like to see a sequel, which was never done by original authors; and between selling what you made for money. We, the romhackers, release legal Patches (not roms or carts) to be used by private individuals for private use, so that they can to enjoy the new spirit brought into old games (if they own the original rom).

Imagine how we feel if then someone makes and sells carts out of our games behind our backs for a lot of money. Zelda3 Goddess of Wisdom was sold for 250 euros on ebay. The record however has Zelda3 Parallel Remodel for 305 euros (first cart available in Europe). The game was carted despite my specific message in the readme Not to do that. And it was carted and soled only 18 day since the release. This game Legend of Link was even faster (it took only 1 week for illegal cart to be made).

Now how should Infidelity and others feel. Someone will sell 50 copies only in first run for 145 dollars a piece. Believe me, this was Not planed by the authors of the game and was made behind their backs, without their approval. Plus the game is actually coauthored by Nintendo, thus we can never release the rom or cart in the first place. The patch however contains only all the changes to the game, which is owned by us, and thus can be released.

If you are wondering why we work on the game. Because we like Zelda and would like to see sequels which original authors never made. We like the work. We certainly don't consider this as breaking the law. It is because of cart makers, that our works looks illegal. The cart makers and sellers thus give romhacking a bad name.

Such actions can result only in us building in real hardware blockades, or simply make our games incompatible to real hardware and thus make it stuck in emulation only; or to simply not release our work at all (or, as you suggested, quit romhacking).



Mike-Tech
Posted on 09-22-14 02:31 PM Link | Quote | ID: 158479

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Posted by Thanatos-Zero
Most recently I have got this message.
Click me!(Disabled)
I once felt proud to have worked on this game, but no longer.

As long things do not change, I want myself to be removed from the credits.
Also I will no longer see my work as my own, but Infidelity's. Thus I will remove my entire work on that project from my dropbox and my pc.

Infidelity may profit from this game as he wishes, but I won't be any part of this, because I do not accept any valueables from outright breaking the law.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Edit: I must take back my claims. Infidelity never accepted money from them in the first place.
They did all those things on their own. As such I will not give up my work.



I don't know whats fully going between you 2 love birds.
If infidelt was suppose to compensate you for your graphic works he should pay out.
If he told you he wasn't going to pay you but you still did it anyway for free.
You don't have much of a right to be payed.
I have a better idea, you let infidelt leave your name in the credits.
Ask him nicely to give you 10 bucks in paypal for assisting with the graphics.
If he says no the next project he comes out with don't bother to assist him.
Not unless you feel like going through the same issue you had last time.

Now pleaaw go calm your nerves and handle your problems with him privately.


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Posted on 09-22-14 04:34 PM Link | Quote | ID: 158480


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Posted by MikeTechno
I don't know whats fully going between you 2 love birds


He said love birds! LLLLLLMMMMMFFFFFFFAAAAAAOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

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Mike-Tech
Posted on 09-22-14 07:01 PM Link | Quote | ID: 158482

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Posted by MikeTechno
I don't know whats fully going between you 2 love birds


He said love birds! LLLLLLMMMMMFFFFFFFAAAAAAOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!


Put down that $65 jar of moonshine for awhile, your going too far with the trolling. :/

EggplantPimp
Posted on 09-22-14 08:05 PM Link | Quote | ID: 158483


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$65? That's too much for moonshine, I drink this...



Have some fun, you only live once!

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Mike-Tech
Posted on 09-22-14 09:05 PM Link | Quote | ID: 158485

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colt45, you don't know what your missing.



When holidays roll around soon I may drink a pack and be thankfull this year turn out fine.

Yeah I know your trying to have a few jokes but don't too far with it.

sjdswanlund
Posted on 09-23-14 09:12 AM Link | Quote | ID: 158494

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Posted by puzzledude
There is a great difference between working on a game, because you like it and would like to see a sequel, which was never done by original authors; and between selling what you made for money. We, the romhackers, release legal Patches (not roms or carts) to be used by private individuals for private use, so that they can to enjoy the new spirit brought into old games (if they own the original rom).

Imagine how we feel if then someone makes and sells carts out of our games behind our backs for a lot of money. Zelda3 Goddess of Wisdom was sold for 250 euros on ebay. The record however has Zelda3 Parallel Remodel for 305 euros (first cart available in Europe). The game was carted despite my specific message in the readme Not to do that. And it was carted and soled only 18 day since the release. This game Legend of Link was even faster (it took only 1 week for illegal cart to be made).

Now how should Infidelity and others feel. Someone will sell 50 copies only in first run for 145 dollars a piece. Believe me, this was Not planed by the authors of the game and was made behind their backs, without their approval. Plus the game is actually coauthored by Nintendo, thus we can never release the rom or cart in the first place. The patch however contains only all the changes to the game, which is owned by us, and thus can be released.

If you are wondering why we work on the game. Because we like Zelda and would like to see sequels which original authors never made. We like the work. We certainly don't consider this as breaking the law. It is because of cart makers, that our works looks illegal. The cart makers and sellers thus give romhacking a bad name.

Such actions can result only in us building in real hardware blockades, or simply make our games incompatible to real hardware and thus make it stuck in emulation only; or to simply not release our work at all (or, as you suggested, quit romhacking).





I just want to clarify that I am not against what you, Infidelity, or any other hackers do. I just though it ironic that Thanatos mentioned he believed this project he worked on was illegal, yet he still did work on it nonetheless.

Also, I'd like to point out - I loved your Parallel World hack. Top tier in the romhacking community.

puzzledude
Posted on 09-23-14 12:33 PM Link | Quote | ID: 158498


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I just want to clarify that I am not against what you, Infidelity, or any other hackers do. I just though it ironic that Thanatos mentioned he believed this project he worked on was illegal, yet he still did work on it nonetheless.

Yes, just to clearify. Thanatos made that post above, because someone send him a link to the site, which sells carts of this new game Legend of Link (this is logical assumption). So he was shocked (like everyone would be), and he actually thought that Infidelity approved this. He later found out, that this was all done without any of the authors knowing about it (usual situation). Basically a cart selling brings the whole thing into illegal area, so he wanted his name out of credits.




Also, I'd like to point out - I loved your Parallel World hack. Top tier in the romhacking community.

Nice. Actually I made the Remodel of PW. By the way, you mentioned you like Alttp and new projects on this. I'm currently working on this Alttp IQ project. It will not be compatible with real hardware (to prevent illegal cart making).
http://www.zeldix.net/t579-zelda3-iq-test


PS
You also mentioned the authors of Legend of Link to turn to SNES. This is usually unlikely to happen, since someone who edits the 8 bit engine can not just switch to a completely new 16 bit engine.


math
Posted on 09-23-14 07:16 PM (rev. 2 of 09-23-14 11:55 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 158500

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infidelity
Posted on 09-23-14 07:34 PM Link | Quote | ID: 158501


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Ok I need to set the record straight on everything that's been discussed over the past few days here. This will either change your opinion about me as a romhacker and damage my image, or you will understand where I'm coming from and not think differently of me.

This is most likely going to be a long reply, so please don't just skim though and comment, really read it.

When I started this project back in October 2011, there were zero goals in my mind on a cartridge based release of this project. About a year later (as some of you know) I was contacted by a fan of Tetris Zero, who liked to see my work play on the actual NES. At that time, I never knew what a PowerPak or Everdrive N8 was, and then this guy, just mailed me his personal PowerPak for free, so I could figure out how to my work to play on actual hardware.

I don't know anything about EPROMS, or how to do all the stuff on my own, so that closest I could ever get to playing my work, was via a flashcart. It was because of this cart, I was able to expand my asm further, to see what really needs to be setup in order to have asm running on authentic software, and not just through FCEUX.

So it was through this, that I learned how to get things running on a flash cart. During the years of production on TLoL, I found out MMC5 was not a possiblilty on flashcarts, due to 2 things, the complexity of the mapper, and, the fact that flashcarts only have 512kb maxed size for their respected prg/chr roms. So my dreams of having my work on a flashcart were done.

So I continued on working through the years, and then I was contacted by a company that was taking an interest in my work, and said it was possible for my work to play on a real NES. I explained that it's MMC5 based, and all that technical jargon. They asked if they were able to make it run on authentic hardware, if I'd let them create cartridges of it. They asked me if I would like to be compensated, and I refused any kind of monetary gain, cash/check/paypal/etc. I did however, ask if I could receive the prototype cartridge, so I can have it on display in my home, along with Megaman Ultra (which was given to me from another company). So they were able to make my project work on authentic hardware, and I received the prototype cartridge.

Now I know what I'm altering is copyrighted material, and which is why distribution of games is based off of .ips files when you modify the original content. When I started learning about rom files in the early 2000's, I read information about rom's and how if something was to go down with you personaly, that you need to have the original cartridge of the rom you are messing with. I've never distributed copyrighted material.

With all of that said, idk how companies are able to continue to sell products of modified content. This is my belief, that the way they are able to do it, is by charging for the labor of the physical properties, the box, artwork, cartridge, custom motherboards, not for what is actually written within the rom. That's my assumption on how they are able to stay in business, that, and the fact they are working on outdated obsolete material stretching almost 30 years.

I've never meant to start a war with people, or step on anyone's personal beliefs on this matter. It's a very gray line on what is & isn't acceptable in this subject. All I've ever wanted to do, was modify games to do something it was never meant to do, and have people play it, and hopefully enjoy it. For me personally, I find it extremely humbling & gratifying, that people are willing to go out of their way to make my projects work on the real NES. It makes me feel like I'm a real developer from ages ago.

So the only way I could ever see TLoL work on the NES, was to have it installed on an actual cartridge. I've apologized to Thanatos privately, and understood his displeasure in this whole matter, and expressed my misunderstandings to him, and apologized. I just felt the more exposure the project got, the more platforms the game would be able to play on, the better the success rate of exposure the game could get would be.

So I completely understand if the rom hacking community begins to dislike me, or even hate me. All I can say is that I never meant for any one to get upset, I just wanted this to work on a real NES. I contacted the creator of the Everdrive N8, to see if he would revise his product, so that larger roms could play, but he wasn't interested in my proposal.

After everything that has happened, and from what I have read, this will probably be my last hurrah in rom hacking. I don't know what kind of fallout to expect from all of this, and I'm not going to get into a debate or be dragged into discussions on how I'm wrong, or how I'm a fraud, or how im a hypocrite, or whatever kind of derogatory comments may land my way. Again this is all based on my personal beliefs, on how this sort thing is able to happen in the world. But all I can say, is that I have not, nor ever will, accept any kind of money for any hacking that I've done.

Thank you to everyone that has always taken an interest in my work, and I just hope that everyone can understand my point of view and accept it. I completely understand how others feel about this matter.

Mike-Tech
Posted on 09-23-14 08:34 PM Link | Quote | ID: 158502

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:/ Stop making me wait for your mega man ultra sequel and stop all this tear shedding and apologizing.
Given all the work and research you put into hacking this old game to something way more differently.
I don't many people will have a issue with you, you need to look at what you learned and what skills you picked up.
Just continue doing what you do best, also I'm not upset about this.
I do have some personal issues with you dont want to bring up here publicly.

Given all that just be glad the project should be coming to a successfull close.

Vanya
Posted on 09-23-14 11:30 PM Link | Quote | ID: 158509


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I have no problem with any of it.
In fact I've always found certain points of view, especially concerning credit and permissions, to be absurd.

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Malachi Constant
Posted on 09-24-14 12:35 AM Link | Quote | ID: 158510


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They are absurd, and people should be ashamed for attacking Infidelity after everything he's done.

justin3009
Posted on 09-24-14 06:57 PM Link | Quote | ID: 158514


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Honestly, no one has any right to talk down to you and treat you like a criminal for this. You want to make your work feel authentic, that is NOT a big deal. If people find that to be a problem and somehow turn that into you wanting profit, then they are reading far too much into things and are just looking for a reason to fight.

You do what YOU want to do. If you have fun with it, continue to do so. If people dislike you for it, so be it. There are few and far between in that case and your work is incredible.

As long as you enjoy it, who cares what others think. It's your work, your time, your creativity and such.

B.B.Link
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Which version of this hack is mostly bug free?

Mike-Tech
Posted on 09-25-14 04:21 PM Link | Quote | ID: 158519

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Posted by B.B.Link
Which version of this hack is mostly bug free?


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