If you read article1 and compare it to the third link you gave, they seem to be about different stories entirely. While the last link you provided says "We have seen that Lulzsec mostly hack random targets which are vulnerable and easily available on net via google Dorks." ... "LulzSec are just a bunch of script kiddies..." The fox story comes off with a bit more sensationalist Working under the Internet alias “Sabu,” the unemployed, 28-year-old father of two allegedly commanded a loosely organized, international team of perhaps thousands of hackers from his nerve center in a public housing project on New York’s Lower East Side. Given the sources, I'm inclined to believe the former quote is more accurate, and that this is only a very small fraction of the active anon hackers. I'll admit I haven't looked into it much further than this, but I figure as long as the chan boards are still intact the internet will still maintain a large underground culture. ____________________ Design © 2009 Stark Once for the Super Dave TV show I was the stuntman that fell down the entire wtc stairwell. ~ jargon