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 Dry Bones Level: 55 Posts: 590/646 EXP: 1285206 Next: 28983 Since: 07-28-07 Last post: 4340 days Last view: 4323 days |
http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/01/information-might-want-be-free-then-again-it-might-not
I found this to be very revealing of the disconnect between the new and old. For instance, this bit here:
The difference here is that Swartz's actions still left original copies in place, he did not walk in and take the only possible copies of these articles, he just made new ones, which was within his rights as a campus library user. Now, he did cross matters a bit by breaking into the closet, I agree, but to conflate this with stealing the only copies existing at a library just highlights how out of touch the older generation is with the Shiny 'New' Digital Future. Further nuggets by the blogger in question in the comments:
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Dry Bones Level: 55 Posts: 592/646 EXP: 1285206 Next: 28983 Since: 07-28-07 Last post: 4340 days Last view: 4323 days |
Posted by (ノ ゜Д゜)ノ I did not know you were in favor of "academic" (as if, more like profiteering) publishers maintaining a stranglehold on information paid for and funded by the public at large and then charging us back for it. The current way information is disseminated at present is the worst possible model out there for flow of information. Publishing academics need to move away from closed journals and put their focus on publishing into open access journals entirely. ____________________ Robocop and 이명박 voted for me. |
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Dry Bones Level: 55 Posts: 594/646 EXP: 1285206 Next: 28983 Since: 07-28-07 Last post: 4340 days Last view: 4323 days |
Posted by (ノ ゜Д゜)ノ Well, maybe you should explain how this thread is terrible. Certainly, my assessment of the analogy given being faulty is correct. If you don't disagree with me on the points so far, then I don't see how you can view the thread as terrible. ____________________ Robocop and 이명박 voted for me. |
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Dry Bones Level: 55 Posts: 599/646 EXP: 1285206 Next: 28983 Since: 07-28-07 Last post: 4340 days Last view: 4323 days |
blackhole and I started talking about this on AIM, so I just thought I'd bring some rough points to the thread.
He stated academia is complicit. This is true. A great deal of academia can be blamed for propagating the paywall model. Certainly as he pointed out, CS, Physics, Mathematics are taking great strides in open journals that other fields really are struggling to catch up to. I noted that I would actually be more accepting of the paywall model if it was more reasonably priced, like $0.99 an article. And while that's not too steep to pay for someone in the first world, when you think about researchers who live in the third world, for example, in Nigeria, where most people get by on less than $5 a day, that's too expensive. For what it's worth, I've made a point to publish my papers where I am the first author or could make reasonable input in open journals. The only paper I am a coauthor on that isn't in an open journal, we made the PDF available on the senior author's personal/professional webpage. While this works to circumvent some of the access problem, it's a half measure. the whole idea of databases of articles is that they are 'permanently archived'. How permanently archived is a webpage managed by one person? When they die and their webspace is taken down because no one is paying to maintain it anymore, it's gone. Kaput. ____________________ Robocop and 이명박 voted for me. |
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Dry Bones Level: 55 Posts: 600/646 EXP: 1285206 Next: 28983 Since: 07-28-07 Last post: 4340 days Last view: 4323 days |
It would be hard, because current freely accessible avenues of publishing are not well respected (with the exception of PLoS and its journals under it). Acta Palaeontologica Polonica has been a rising star (including preprints) though. I have high hopes for it to continue rising in prominence through the new year. 
More to add on the matter: http://svpow.wordpress.com/2012/01/13/the-obscene-profits-of-commercial-scholarly-publishers/
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Dry Bones Level: 55 Posts: 602/646 EXP: 1285206 Next: 28983 Since: 07-28-07 Last post: 4340 days Last view: 4323 days |
Posted by blackhole89 Those don't really exist. Biology workgroups do though and paleo research could easily piggyback onto that. 
So perhaps... ____________________ Robocop and 이명박 voted for me. |
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