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Xeruss
Posted on 01-06-12 12:19 AM Link | Quote | ID: 149134


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A resurrection team? Well, I would be glad to join too if there's room for me.

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Posted on 01-06-12 12:27 AM Link | Quote | ID: 149137


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I don't think the board needs to be shut down. I think a lot of the reason for the inactivity has to do with the way it's been run, and the cliques. This place has had many unique things regarding rom hacking, and so it has always felt like home in many ways, but it has never felt very inviting or easy to be a part of (for all of the reasons already mentioned... bad english speakers being made fun of, trolling by the people who think they're elite and the criticizing of others just because someone got bored with their life, etc.). I've been around since acmlm's board was a wonderous and thriving place (so no I'm not actually a newbie, I just like using a different name now). I got tired of all the crap and quit around the time acmlm's board became board 2 (had nothing to do with the changes in hosting and such things). This place has felt too much like high school. People don't want to be bothered and harassed; they just want to enjoy themselves as they can. It shouldn't be that hard. The only reason I came back is because of the development of my Wily Wars Editor... because I wanted to share it with others and I felt like this was THE place to do it (yeah I've had to put development on hold for a while, but hopefully not for too much longer). And like another person said, the themes here are pretty neat. I like the dark backgrounds. Another flaw I've noticed is that people seem to be too self important to help others when they have questions about rom hacking, so said person becomes discouraged and gives up, which easily decreases activity. I think in order for this place to flourish, we need to nullify all of the ego trips and start being a community that is supportive of its members, and to each other. If you're a member of a closed group of friends here and you like being a part of that, it's alright; but hang out on irc and maybe find a good online game to play that's heavily pvp based. There's not a lot of room for that kind of thing in a forum that has other objectives. This place wasn't designed to be a place of social gathering for a small group of people. If you are a part of the inner group here and prefere a forum as a gathering place for your group, start a forum that is intended for just that (I've seen them before and they sometimes work pretty well). I've tried to talk about these things before many times because I saw the potential that this place has had all along, and how it had been inhibited by these problems. Not many people were very interested in listening to me or any of the other people who tried to speak up about all of this; not much interest if any was ever placed into making this board a nice place for people to come.... I think we need to redifine the purpose of board 2 so that there is no misunderstanding of it's function. I personally like it as a place primarily for rom hackers to come express their creativity and develop hacks based off of the good old classics (or whatever games really)... a place where these things can be shared with each other freely while feeling supported by fellow members (even if that means being honest when someone's idea isn't great, just be nice about it... there's never a need to be an asshole really).

Well, besides all of that, I have an idea for this place, and I wonder what you all would think of it. So, besides just rom hacking, what if we started some group projects to make high quality fan games (Mario, Sonic, Megaman, Castlevania, etc.). We could have people contribute by helping with the parts that they are most capable of developing, and do it in an organized manner. Of course you could always opt out whenever you like. If enough people with skills were interested in doing this, I think we could really make a lot happen. I can program in C++ and C#. We could make a standard game engine for these games (and level editor), or use a high quality one like Unity 3D as a base, and then work from there. What if this place was also a place for this... like a central place where people can come to find these things? I think it would certainly add to the board's uniqueness, and make it even more valuable.

I don't think we need to shut this place down, but rather find a new direction.

Kironide
Posted on 01-06-12 12:28 AM Link | Quote | ID: 149139


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I would truly hate to see this board die out. It has been a place of great memories for me, and it would be no understatement to say that the community that I ran into here and the events that occurred as a result have significantly affected the course of my life.

I will edit with more later; I am busy.

blackhole89
Posted on 01-06-12 12:28 AM Link | Quote | ID: 149140


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Well, we've probably got the bases covered as far as moving threads goes, but generally, I think you would do a great job as a moderator (and hope you have some ideas for things to do), so welcome on board, I guess.

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Posted on 01-06-12 12:36 AM Link | Quote | ID: 149142


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Posted by Synthetekh
what if we started some group projects
Has been tried...

And yes, I agree that we need to find a new direction, for whatever meaning of "direction" one chooses to prefer. The question, then, just is what this direction should look like...

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Synthetekh
Posted on 01-06-12 12:54 AM (rev. 4 of 01-06-12 01:11 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 149149


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Posted by blackhole89
Posted by Synthetekh
what if we started some group projects
Has been tried...

And yes, I agree that we need to find a new direction, for whatever meaning of "direction" one chooses to prefer. The question, then, just is what this direction should look like...


Wow, so many more posts since I started writing my last one..!
Well, the idea I gave may have failed before, but I'm not sure it was ever executed properly. Maybe we should try again, and even devote a section of the board to it if it seems like it could be viable (it would undoubtedly require a lot of organization)?
As far as a new direction goes, I don't think we can come up with all of those answers just yet. I think we need to take some time to come up with a lot of ideas and then choose what we as a group think is the best, and what ideas many of the people here agree are of a lot of value. I think we also should really discuss what kind of community we want to have when it comes to the kind of people we want our community to be made up of (not to suggest only allowing certain people).. like what kind of message do we want to present to new people, and to those that are already here about what this place is here for. I think one of the most important things for the sucsess of board 2 is to really listen to everyone and seriously consider what all people have to say... afterall, it is here for all of us.
I would be happy to contribute in any way I can (I'm going to be starting work on an iPhone game... whenever I can get a Mac or figure out a way to do it using my VirtualBox hackintosh, but I've got the time).

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I don't know how well I would be at cleaning up stickies (except in the rom hacking related sections), but if you need a trustworty person for something, let me know.

ninjablooper
Posted on 01-06-12 01:23 AM Link | Quote | ID: 149161


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I think we need to focus on our strengths in order to keep the board alive. When I joined this site it was actually after I faded out of ROM Hacking. The real reason I joined is because post aren't just one-liners and useless comments. Look, most posts here are at least one paragraph. Most sites can't boast this. Maybe we just need to extend our activity by finding people who are willing to type and read more than one sentence. Unfortunately that won't be too easy. Asking people to join a site seems always a bit awkward and pushy for me. Therefore we need to think of a way of advertising better. Any ideas?

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Posted on 01-06-12 01:30 AM Link | Quote | ID: 149163


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@Blackie: If you want I can contribute my cartoons characters, it'll prolly add some spice up in here. A group project sounds like a good idea though, maybe something along with Game Maker that'll be a Board 2 exclusive.

@Stag019: S'up man? Long time no see... ^^

@Celice: You're the man!

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Posted on 01-06-12 01:35 AM Link | Quote | ID: 149168


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Googie: Yeah, using something like RPG Maker, which might not be pretty or technically impressive but is bound to produce tangible results quickly and only requiring a minimum of skill and time investment, might have better chances of success.

ninjablooper: Advertisement to people who don't know the board yet is a quite deep problem... the link is generally circulated quite widely in a particular segment of the ROM hacking community, and beyond that, it's unclear what we should do; putting up Google ads hardly is productive. As far as the loquaciousness goes... I am bound to agree, but opinions have also already been voiced to the effect of the excessive verbosity giving rise to a sort of "no fun allowed" atmosphere that discourages casual posters.

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Posted on 01-06-12 01:49 AM Link | Quote | ID: 149170


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We don't even need to have a specific focus do be a successful community though. If users get a specific type of community interaction that most other places don't offer then that's something that they would come back to, as well as even recruit new members.

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Posted on 01-06-12 02:23 AM Link | Quote | ID: 149175


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This has to do more with the ROM hacking situation.

I think one reason not alot of ROM hackers (who hack specific games at least) don't come here is because they think: "Why join a site that doesn't pay much attention to the game I hack, when I can join a place like smwc (for example) whos site is dedicated to my game?" It seems alot of forums that try to be the "main hacking site" don't do as well as sites who hack specific games. Even ROMHacking.net doesn't seem to do THAT well. Resources also seem to attract people, and they also seem to go by ease of hacking the game. But thats just my opinion.



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Synthetekh
Posted on 01-06-12 02:24 AM Link | Quote | ID: 149176


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I really agree with you Green-Kirby. Having a specific purpose for the boards is one thing, but if people are attracted to the community here, something as simple as General Chat should get a lot of activity. I played on a Ragnarok server for a few years a long time ago, and it was nice the way they had sections specifically for game related stuff, and an "Off Topic" section so people could just talk about whatever (even a place to show artwork and other such forum sections). There was an interesting community there, which really just made it all work. Maybe attracting a different kind of cummunity should be the primary focus. When it comes to rom hacking, I don't think there's a lot that needs to be done besides some possible reogarnization and cleaning up a few things. I think a Megaman section might be useful. There seems to be a lot of posts involving Megaman hacking, and there are a wide variety of Megaman games that people have interest in hacking. I don't like to suggest making sections for every different kind of game, but I think Megaman might be worth considering. Also when there is a really good editor for a game, it seems to draw a lot of people towards hacking that game (like it has been with SMW).

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@wiiqwertyuiop:

Actually I think this is honestly only true in very few cases.

I branched out from the metroid hacking community to bring my hack here as well as romhacking.net to get a wider reception. Many games also lack a dedicated user base revolving around hacking it.

After all, you're not exactly bound to one community and one alone, I am part of quite many myself.

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Posted on 01-06-12 02:56 AM (rev. 2 of 01-06-12 02:58 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 149179


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Googie: I know, right. If you wanna chat you can PM me, or even better go to IRC (I'm always on kafuka's IRC)

As it stands right now, I do have a life and other things to do, but I also have a lot more free time than I did in the past, especially this past summer. So therefore, I'm gonna try to stick around and see how this place fares. blackhole89: If you want another moderator, administrator, whatever, I'd give it a shot, but if you don't want to, I completely understand why.

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I have to completely agree with that. I go to Skeetendo, a board primarily about Pokemon Generations 1 & 2 hacking, because stuff gets a lot more attention there than it would here.

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Posted on 01-06-12 05:25 AM Link | Quote | ID: 149198


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I hate to say this, but, why not make a facebook group and link back to here? Mayhaps branching out can bring people here? I dono. I'm trying to help.

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Posted on 01-06-12 05:27 AM Link | Quote | ID: 149200


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If someone who actually has facebook and friends who might possibly be interested in a site like this, it certainly wouldn't hurt...

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Posted on 01-06-12 05:33 AM Link | Quote | ID: 149201


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Googie: Yeah, using something like RPG Maker, which might not be pretty or technically impressive but is bound to produce tangible results quickly and only requiring a minimum of skill and time investment, might have better chances of success.


A'ight cool, let's say if more people were to jump on this idea I'd help with the art work. Would it be possible to add custom art into RPG Maker? I can create monsters lots of monsters for an RPG.

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Woah. I haven't been here since forever. (Also, it seems my old account zipped away... oh well!)

I remember that the past few time I've lurked around here, it always seemed kinda uninviting making me not want to stay... but if you're going to remedy this somehow, it'd be great.

Otherwise, sorry if I can't suggest much... Just hope that whatever you do will be successful somehow

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Posted by Googie
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Googie: Yeah, using something like RPG Maker, which might not be pretty or technically impressive but is bound to produce tangible results quickly and only requiring a minimum of skill and time investment, might have better chances of success.


A'ight cool, let's say if more people were to jump on this idea I'd help with the art work. Would it be possible to add custom art into RPG Maker? I can create monsters lots of monsters for an RPG.


You can easily replace the graphics, sounds, and all. Good luck.

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Posted on 01-06-12 06:08 AM (rev. 2 of 01-06-12 06:17 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 149204


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I personally wouldn't want to use RPG Maker. RPGs aren't heavily physics based and therefore wouldn't be too difficult to program. You might find some physics in battle animations, but that's probably all. It's been many years since I've used RPG maker so I don't know if much has changed with it by now, but I remember being frustrated by some of it's limitations (I wasn't too fond of Game Maker either). I'm more of a "do it yourself" kind of person, so I would be willing to contribute a lot to making a nice game engine and a simple easy to use editor for this kind of thing after I make my iPhone game (shouldn't take more than a month once I can get started). I've already planned on doing this on my own at some point once I've had some time to learn DirectX (and more about 3D modeling as well). Just thought I'd put that out there.
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