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E_NONAME
Posted on 02-17-12 11:14 PM Link | Quote | ID: 150061


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Long story short, board2 has been walking the plank for a long time. Man up and jump off.

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Posted on 02-17-12 11:31 PM Link | Quote | ID: 150062


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*KP9000 hands Xeruss the keys*

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blackhole89
Posted on 02-18-12 02:23 PM Link | Quote | ID: 150090


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Posted by E_NONAME
well, one critical flaw you make here is assuming that jul's power structure is entirely based around my friends and my friends alone, while it's actually rather wrong.

just a quick glance over the various staff threads and what goes on makes it pretty clear that we're far from all being best buddies, but we can mostly get along without being at each other's throats all the time, and there's generally not a whole lot of backstabbing going on.

Friends can have quarrels and still remain friends. I have no idea what it is like now, but back then, your admins were BMF, with whom you cohabited, and Hiryuu, whom you poured your heart out to on a regular basis, plus a couple of fullmods who could be quite aptly described as your groupies.

Also, <acronym>? HTML sure marches on... Anyway, your image of how the Kafuka split came to pass is quite mistaken. In reality, what happened (from what I gather) is that Emuz approached KP9000 and Ailure first and convinced them of his plan, then making them confront me with subtle undertones of "you have no choice but to agree" and being rather surprised that I didn't cling to power to the degree they apparently expected me to. (The reason it played out the way it played out in the end was yet an entirely different one.)


and then it came out that the only reason you really left them around was for the post count.
Activity is not the same thing as post count.


(and all sorts of other fun quotes I can go grab real fast)
While some of those are out of context, I can't deny that I let the events affect me to a degree that can only be described as pathetic. It's not that I was the only one who evidently had an unhealthy amount of investment in board-related affairs, though; I, for my part, at least had the decency to not attempt extracting similar comedy from, say, your impassioned exchange with Hiryuu some time after the split.


honestly, just stick a fork in it. you're done. you've been on simmer for a few years now and it's time to just turn off the heat and throw it out.
Will consider. That's part of the point of this thread.


also i love the fact it took me about a year to register. guess something's broken, but E_NO_SURPRISE.
I guess it's the proxy detection. Not that it ever has worked to begin with.

Well, thank you for sharing your views in a more or less constructive manner. I have been half wondering when you would turn up.

Posted by Liliana
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Wait, are you basically posting to complain about how everyone hates you?

Something about your socialisation must have gone badly wrong if you think trying to guilt-trip people into liking you is viable.

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Liliana
Posted on 02-18-12 02:29 PM Link | Quote | ID: 150091


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Posted by blackhole89
Something about your socialisation must have gone badly wrong if you think trying to guilt-trip people into liking you is viable.

Do consider the fact that most of my "socialization" (if you can even call it that) involved me being locked in a small room with a computer being the only contact with the outside world. I never really had any contact with social beings.

blackhole89
Posted on 02-18-12 02:36 PM Link | Quote | ID: 150092


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Posted by Liliana
Posted by blackhole89
Something about your socialisation must have gone badly wrong if you think trying to guilt-trip people into liking you is viable.

Do consider the fact that most of my "socialization" (if you can even call it that) involved me being locked in a small room with a computer being the only contact with the outside world. I never really had any contact with social beings.
Okay. Well, for future reference: It doesn't work. Perhaps they take on charity cases* over at Kafuka, but if you have no intention of making a contribution here/at Jul/wherever else you have felt rejected at the past, don't expect to be tolerated simply on the basis of pity.

* I'm sure there are self-help forums for people like that to reaffirm each other and feel good. You might be genuinely interested in seeking out one.

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E_NONAME
Posted on 02-18-12 03:20 PM Link | Quote | ID: 150093


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Liliana is weird. For example, despite having been banned repeatedly, z-lined, and even set to AE Torture, every german ISP reset time you can count on her browsing Jul again to stalk people.

You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.

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Liliana
Posted on 02-18-12 03:22 PM Link | Quote | ID: 150094


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If repeated IP bans is what you enjoy, you're free to continue. I'm not doing this to annoy or stalk anyone, but because I have a genuine interest in the TCRF subforum, as I already told you.

Mog54123
Posted on 02-19-12 02:05 AM Link | Quote | ID: 150106

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Posted by blackhole89
BMF, with whom you cohabited
I was staff on Acmlm's Board long before Xk came around, and staff on Jul long before he moved in with me, even before we became good friends. I was brought on as administrator both because I knew what I was doing, and (for a time) because I owned the webspace Jul was hosted on.

Yes, we were--and still are--friends, but we have had plenty of disagreements as to how things should be run, and still do to this day. None of my administrative decisions have been a result of some mystical "Xk groupie" way of thinking.

On that note, I don't need Xk to tell me that Liliana has serious mental problems, and that this board is on the verge of death due to some mind-bogglingly bad administrative decisions. I can see it for myself, plain as day. I probably would have posted in this topic even if Xk hadn't done so first; he just got the ball rolling, as it were.

E_NONAME
Posted on 02-19-12 02:25 AM Link | Quote | ID: 150107


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That argument works nice in reverse; anybody who doesn't want board2 to just keel over already is clearly blackhole89 hivemind borg.


The 'argument' is four years old already, give it up. You aren't clever, just wrong.

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blackhole89
Posted on 02-19-12 03:26 AM Link | Quote | ID: 150108


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I never was trying to make some point along the lines of "you needed to be friends with Xk to become staff". "[...] to remain staff" would be much closer to my perception of it. Anyway, I don't think there is much of a point in reheating all of this given that I don't even disagree with any statement in BMF's post.

As far as the argument "working in reverse" goes, however, this already fails due to the current set of admins not even being of my choosing.

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KP9000
Posted on 02-19-12 07:34 AM Link | Quote | ID: 150110


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Posted by blackhole89
Anyway, your image of how the Kafuka split came to pass is quite mistaken. In reality, what happened (from what I gather) is that Emuz approached KP9000 and Ailure first and convinced them of his plan, then making them confront me with subtle undertones of "you have no choice but to agree" and being rather surprised that I didn't cling to power to the degree they apparently expected me to. (The reason it played out the way it played out in the end was yet an entirely different one.)
Actually, what really happened was BH approached me (and possibly Ailure) wanting to express the intention of possibly stepping down and handing the board over to someone else (referred to as the "handover" in early stages) so Ailure approached Emuz first about it, seeing him as the best candidate for such. I then approached him about it as well. Emuz, only knowing of the basic idea, was adamant that he would only take part in it if BH was OK with it. Originally, Emuz was supposed to just take over. Eventually it was agreed that the board would change hands. Over the course of a few days, it was discussed that while the "handover" was taking place it was worth implementing a few things into the board since it was a milestone event. Many ideas were had, and they got bigger and bigger. Since we all know board2 to be a slow (dead) board, we thought a name change would be a good idea also. Eventually, a DB reset was discussed, with BH disapproving, saying it would have been pretty much a "new board" and also finding out that he wasn't on board with a lot of the stuff we discussed prior to this. He put up a few good points, and I suggested we re-think the DB reset option; but it was already too late to change BH's mind. BH pretty much disapproved of most of what we wanted to change/implement. He offered almost no alternative information/suggestions during the whole course of development. Everyone who was for the idea of taking what we had and making it into a new board hailed under Emuz, and him and BH talked about going our own separate ways, as was already decided by BH unofficially prior to that discussion.

Thus, Kafuka was born.
Posted by E_NONAME
"Hey Emuz, wanna steal board2? Yes sure! *proceeds to basically cause board2 to evaporate in only a few months*"
There's not really any backstabbing going on at all when you accept my description of what happened above as fact. Interestingly enough, backstabbing is what you call BH's description of what happened since it really makes Emuz, Ailure and I look like the villains here. (Hint: what I said is what happened; to the best of my knowledge and memory; others can feel free to confirm it)

Quoting this again, since there is many many things wrong with it:
Posted by blackhole89
Emuz approached KP9000 and Ailure first and convinced them of his plan
Actually, I was doing most of the convincing on the ideas that were had. (Badges, Sprites, more graphical stuff; and even had things to say on every other subject of development) The "plan" was never to create Kafuka, not until you expressed your intention to not want to be a part of what we were doing.

then making them confront me with subtle undertones of "you have no choice but to agree"
Nobody "made" anyone do anything, especially not that outrageous, over-analyzed accusation. You seem to draw conclusions based on what might as well be a fucking potato and some marbles. You pull things from thin air and meld them into your beliefs which turn out to be malicious to most situations.

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Emuz
Posted on 02-19-12 09:25 AM Link | Quote | ID: 150111

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I'm not going to say too much, but I wanted to reinforce what KP said. There wasn't a conspiracy of any kind. The idea was to revive board2. Ailure talked about it back in the NotRO days, and than KP brought it up in the late summer. I was very hesitant at first to do it too. I also mad the caveat that BH was on board. BH had our discussions and we agreed.

I didn't want the split. I wanted to give board2 a boost to give it life again. Frankly if board2 succeeds that would still make my happy.

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E_NONAME
Posted on 02-19-12 11:00 PM Link | Quote | ID: 150117


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I was referring to the events four years ago, when you guys decided that you were going to forcibly eject me from this board and took the controls yourselves, leading it to the death spiral it was in since.

I don't understand how any of you could possibly think that, after four years, anything you do with this board would be considered "backstabbing me". The only thing I want to do with this board is drive a wooden stake into it already.

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Liliana
Posted on 02-19-12 11:02 PM Link | Quote | ID: 150118


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Posted by E_NONAME
The only thing I want to do with this board is drive a wooden stake into it already.

Why? What benefit would you gain from doing that? Isn't there anything more useful you could do?

E_NONAME
Posted on 02-19-12 11:21 PM Link | Quote | ID: 150120


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Oh, of course.

But then I would be able to drop down a big banner and say "Mission accomplished".

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Liliana
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I love how you took your time to brainwash the Jul community, though!

[23:42:48] <@Taryn> oh yeah, it's because you love starting drama
[23:42:50] <@Lili-chan> when did I do that?
[23:42:57] <@Lili-chan> also, stop fucking whining
[23:43:17] <@Taryn> stop fucking picking fights and starting drama at every opportunity


I remember the war in Yugoslavia very well. Millions of people died due to brainwashing. Those people were doing the exact same thing that you are doing at the moment; brainwashing innocent civilians to start a massacre on others you don't like. The only thing that's missing is actual murder, but knowing you, I bet you'll start doing that too.

Lunaria
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For crying out loud, I told you people to stop bringing up your Jul drama here, how hard is that to get?

I don't want to ban users over somethign silly like this, so please just stop, okay?

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KP9000
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Posted by E_NONAME
I was referring to the events four years ago, when you guys decided that you were going to forcibly eject me from this board and took the controls yourselves, leading it to the death spiral it was in since.

I don't understand how any of you could possibly think that, after four years, anything you do with this board would be considered "backstabbing me". The only thing I want to do with this board is drive a wooden stake into it already.
I at least feel better about this clarification. I don't really consider myself to be a part of the "you guys" group though. Nevertheless, I will say that I don't feel like I was backstabbing anyone. I felt like I did my part; but the board didn't live up to what I had to offer, due to, you know, it being mostly dead all the time. I stepped down because all I was really doing was killing spambots. (It's amazing it took that much for me to get the hint.)

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I'd post some more Weezer lyrics here but yeah.

I didn't know spambots hit here, oddly enough.

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KP9000
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Yeah, there's an ass ton of them. I would kill them from IRC, but I don't have permissions to use the bot. But I actually think they're humans registering and posting shit, not bots.

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