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GreyMaria
Posted on 05-26-11 02:27 AM Link | Quote | ID: 142499

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Posted by PYRATROOPER
You just would not expect someone like him to have it, because of the role he pl.ys for al quada


I fail to see how this is logical.

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Posted by GreyMaria
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You just would not expect someone like him to have it, because of the role he pl.ys for al quada


I fail to see how this is logical.


What part that he had porn or what I typed?

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Posted by PYRATROOPER
What part that he had porn or what I typed?

The part where his status in Al Queta had anything to do with his porn stash.

Like Kawa said, a guy (regardless of who he is/was) having porn isn't shocking.

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Porn is ILLEGAL in MOST if not ALL Muslim countries same goes for adultery, sex before marriage, women driving cars and being doctors among others, All of this is based on Qur'an and research by myself. His rank + he title as a spiritual advisory makes this even more shocking even to me and the US government.

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Posted on 05-26-11 02:51 PM Link | Quote | ID: 142525


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It does seem like more of a clumsy attempt at character assassination. It seems pretty reasonable to assume that one who has the willpower to sacrifice the commodities of a peaceful life outside of hiding and make themselves the enemy of most of the world for their religious beliefs would have the willpower to sacrifice the commodities of pornography for them.

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Posted on 05-26-11 06:42 PM Link | Quote | ID: 142528

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Posted by PYRATROOPER
research by myself


You're Muslim?

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Posted on 05-26-11 07:17 PM (rev. 2 of 05-26-11 07:18 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 142534


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No, I did the research for school project on religion.

If you're interested in my religious beliefs the quote below taken from one of my rapture or bust thread replies:

Posted by "PYRATROOPER"

I am also Deist. To understand it read below as quoted from the From the Wikipedia article on Deism:

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Deism in the philosophy of religion is the standpoint that reason and observation of the natural world, without the need for organized religion, can determine that a supreme being created the universe. Further the term often implies that this supreme being does not intervene in human affairs or suspend the natural laws of the universe. Deists typically reject supernatural events such as prophecy and miracles, tending to assert that God (or "The Supreme Architect") has a plan for the universe that he does not alter by (regularly or ever) intervening in the affairs of human life. This idea is also known as the Clockwork universe theory, in which God designs and builds the universe, but steps aside to let it run on its own. Deists believe in the existence of God without any reliance on revealed religion, religious authority or holy books.
From the Wikipedia article on Deism

Also here is a modern definition hat has been created and provided by the World Union of Deists (WUD) that provides a modern understanding of deism:

Deism is the recognition of a universal creative force greater than that demonstrated by mankind, supported by personal observation of laws and designs in nature and the universe, perpetuated and validated by the innate ability of human reason coupled with the rejection of claims made by individuals and organized religions of having received special divine revelation.



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GreyMaria
Posted on 05-27-11 07:18 PM Link | Quote | ID: 142586

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Wikipedia isn't accepted as a valid source for school research purposes.

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Posted by GreyMaria
Wikipedia isn't accepted as a valid source for school research purposes.

Agreed, by both me, and most teachers/professors I've ever spoken to.

My friend changed the entry for koala bears from, "Only eat eucolyptus and sleeps during the day" to "Only eat Cheetos, and sleep on weekends."

It stayed that way for a month.

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Posted by GreyMaria
Wikipedia isn't accepted as a valid source for school research purposes.

Agreed, by both me, and most teachers/professors I've ever spoken to.

My friend changed the entry for koala bears from, "Only eat eucolyptus and sleeps during the day" to "Only eat Cheetos, and sleep on weekends."

It stayed that way for a month.


I never used Wikipedia for any of my school research needs i only used it on the THIS FORUM for sake convenience, my knowledge of of Islam and other religions come from actually GOING OUT and MEETING people THAT ARE believers in these religions(includes Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism among others.)

Also not to offend anyone here but if your going to then blast the sources I use then you can go do MY research yourself.

Also you can go find literature among other things by Thomas Paine, Ethan Allen, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Albert Einstein, Antony Flew, Bill Maher and many more that discuss Deism.

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za909
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It was kinda pointless in its entirety I think.I mean they killed a leader.And you know how history exaggerates these kind of stuff and just lazily says:Osama killed thousands.He probably was the mastermind behind it, but he was not the one to carry out these operations that's for sure.If it wasn't for him, it would've been for someone else.
And I think if there's ever going to be a Third World War, it's going to be USA and Europe vs. Iraq and Afghanistan.
Also I think they are planning revenge...I just have a bad feeling about this year's September.I mean it's gonna be the 10th anniversary or 9/11.If they're planning something, they will do it that day.
Let's hope I'm wrong.

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Posted on 07-01-11 06:52 PM Link | Quote | ID: 144295


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Posted by za909
It was kinda pointless in its entirety I think.I mean they killed a leader.And you know how history exaggerates these kind of stuff and just lazily says:Osama killed thousands.He probably was the mastermind behind it, but he was not the one to carry out these operations that's for sure.If it wasn't for him, it would've been for someone else.

I'd just like to point out that that's what Hitler did. He wasn't so much a killer as he was a leader.

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Posted by za909
It was kinda pointless in its entirety I think.I mean they killed a leader.And you know how history exaggerates these kind of stuff and just lazily says:Osama killed thousands.He probably was the mastermind behind it, but he was not the one to carry out these operations that's for sure.If it wasn't for him, it would've been for someone else.
And I think if there's ever going to be a Third World War, it's going to be USA and Europe vs. Iraq and Afghanistan.
Also I think they are planning revenge...I just have a bad feeling about this year's September.I mean it's gonna be the 10th anniversary or 9/11.If they're planning something, they will do it that day.
Let's hope I'm wrong.

"anyone vs. Iraq and Afghanistan" isn't really going to meet the scale requirements for something to be called a world war. Also, I would neither consider parallels to Nazi Germany to be appropriate (in the sense of there being little similarity, not in the sense of political correctness or anything) nor your apparent estimation of their planning prowess to be realistic - after all, there would have been a sufficient number of reasonably symbolic dates with nothing happening in spite of "them" having all the reason they need to enact "revenge".

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Posted on 07-01-11 08:55 PM Link | Quote | ID: 144303


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Regarding the whole "he was the mastermind behind killing thousands, but not the one to carry it out", that's the exact opposite of "I was just following orders when I killed those people". And it's just as bad: supposedly you can't hold the soldier responsible since he was following orders, and you can't hold his boss responsible because he wasn't the one doing the dirty deed!

Then who's left to blame for those deaths?

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Posted by Kawa
Regarding the whole "he was the mastermind behind killing thousands, but not the one to carry it out", that's the exact opposite of "I was just following orders when I killed those people". And it's just as bad: supposedly you can't hold the soldier responsible since he was following orders, and you can't hold his boss responsible because he wasn't the one doing the dirty deed!

Then who's left to blame for those deaths?


History does not usually remember the name of a soldier.So yeah

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Posted on 07-02-11 03:11 PM Link | Quote | ID: 144319


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But I wasn't talking about history. I was talking about something more in the span of, say, a week or so?

Imagine, if you will, you see on the news that some village somewhere was razed to the ground by a military force just the day before. All the people who lived there were shot down in the streets, in their homes, at their jobs. Men, women, children.

There are videos, some parts of which the news program shows to underline the horror. It's obvious that no army brass is actually there -- the gunhavers are all just soldiers.

Soldiers following orders from higher up in the chain of command. Orders from people who wanted that village wiped from the map for some reason and who will not have villager blood on their hands.

Regardless, there's an absolute outrage in the rest of the world, and the higher-ups are put on trial within a week. They say they did not wipe out that village.

Now reread my previous post and try answering the question again. Who's to blame?

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I guess I shouldn't have written such a rushed, badly thought out reply with having next to no sleep that day...Way to start grabbing on some packets of bad reputation right off the bat...
I'd better stay away from this thread from now on, otherwise I might say things not even I regard as true

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Posted on 07-03-11 04:06 PM Link | Quote | ID: 144338


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Your reputation, as far as this conversation is concerned, is safe. Now kindly answer the question if you please.

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This is something not me, but a philosopher could give a proper answer for.
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