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blackhole89
Posted on 11-27-10 10:34 PM (rev. 2 of 11-27-10 10:35 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 138177


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Link courtesy of MaXim, this seems to be a Linux music player that is, unlike most (all?) others, on the right path (read: it aims for roughly where foobar2000 is on Windows).

It's not quite there yet, but it's already quite decent both in terms of usability and supported formats.

I hacked up two potentially useful plugins on a whim.

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chungy
Posted on 11-28-10 04:32 AM (rev. 2 of 11-28-10 04:33 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 138182


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Last view: 4248 days 		I never understood the appeal of foobar2000 myself. As for a music player that does the right way, I use Audacious (note I mainly use it in the Winamp 2 style, not the newer GTK UI displayed there)

NightKev
Posted on 11-28-10 05:54 AM (rev. 2 of 11-28-10 09:31 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 138184


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What's wrong with fb2k?

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Posted on 11-28-10 07:19 AM Link | Quote | ID: 138187


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blackhole89
Posted on 11-28-10 01:22 PM Link | Quote | ID: 138195


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Winamp-style players: bad playlist management, typically only supporting one playlist open at a time, not having features like sorting by tags or performing retagging, effectively forcing you to go through the filesystem frequently while changing songs - which would be slightly more bearable if it wasn't for the general horribleness of GTK+'s file chooser dialog, and only really meshes well with a file system where all music is organized into a small set of folders that are close to each other in the file system tree anyway

iTunes-style players: usually bad support for less commonplace formats (as apple users only care about band music anyway), use simple search as a basic paradigm for song finding which doesn't work well with tags of wildly varying quality across a collection and precludes the straightforward manual creation of structure (like by perceived similarity or relation between the sources) unless you start polluting your tags, a problem of potentially exponential (in the number of songs) complexity.

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Posted on 11-28-10 03:39 PM Link | Quote | ID: 138197


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Just looked at the screenshots. That is just like Foobar. I approve.

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Posted on 11-29-10 12:08 AM Link | Quote | ID: 138199


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Actually, less commonplace formats are usually more a plague than anything...

Can you provide with some examples of these special audio formats that are not recognized to their fair value?

blackhole89
Posted on 11-29-10 12:27 AM Link | Quote | ID: 138201


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SPC. 64KB per song.

Similar considerations apply to about every chiptune and tracker format out there.

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Posted on 11-29-10 12:52 AM Link | Quote | ID: 138202


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People will say it's too specialized...

blackhole89
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Well, it's not like anybody is asking you to store all your music in it.

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chungy
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Posted by blackhole89
Winamp-style players: bad playlist management, typically only supporting one playlist open at a time, not having features like sorting by tags or performing retagging, effectively forcing you to go through the filesystem frequently while changing songs - which would be slightly more bearable if it wasn't for the general horribleness of GTK+'s file chooser dialog, and only really meshes well with a file system where all music is organized into a small set of folders that are close to each other in the file system tree anyway

Considering I've never seen much point in creating playlists, or keeping a music player open all the time, that part is moot to me. I'm usually in the mindset of "I feel like playing album X", and selecting a folder in the file chooser suits that just fine. Speaking of which, what's wrong with GTK's file chooser?

btw, it seems that Audacious' new UI is very much like foobar2000, you'd probably like it. It still keeps the option for the Winamp style UI which I prefer :-)

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Posted on 11-29-10 03:43 AM Link | Quote | ID: 138206


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Posted by chungy
I'm usually in the mindset of "I feel like playing album X", and selecting a folder in the file chooser suits that just fine. Speaking of which, what's wrong with GTK's file chooser?

Okay, let's pick the example with folders up.

Imagine you start the file chooser and want to load, say, /data/music/unsorted/.

Enter that in the location entry field and press return.

Guess which folder gets loaded.

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chungy
Posted on 11-29-10 07:35 PM Link | Quote | ID: 138213


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Last view: 4248 days 		/data/music/unsorted, obviously. In fact I just tried it to confirm, works fine.

If that's your only example it's pretty weak.

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Posted on 11-29-10 09:44 PM Link | Quote | ID: 138216


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Last view: 2880 days 		So if I understand correctly, there were no decent player that could play SPC files (among other formats) before the apparition of Dead Beef? Is that right?

chungy
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blackhole89
Posted on 11-29-10 11:08 PM Link | Quote | ID: 138224


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chungy: I counter-checked it in another program, and the folder example seems to work in that; the behaviour I described, however, very definitively occurs in LinuxDC++ and its "choose target folder" facility for downloading, so I'd assume it's tied to some other configuration switch that at least does not obviously (from a programmer's point of view) induce the erroneous behaviour. Furthermore, still, entering "/data/music/unsorted" without the trailing slash makes it go "Error creating directory: file exists" even in the better example program.

Trax: For my definition of "decent", that's most certainly the case. However, I don't consider any player that forces me to go through the filesystem for normal playback operation "decent" as my files are scattered over various HDDs and even network locations, some of which take a painful amount of time even just to perform a folder listing on.

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Posted on 11-30-10 08:32 AM Link | Quote | ID: 138241


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If it takes 'that long' to get a directory list, you've either got way, way too many files in there (1k-10k+), or the server is too slow to give you continuous playback anyway.
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I have some music that could go in multiple folders/categories, so sorting them via filesystem alone isn't going to be enough; thus, playlists.

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Posted on 11-30-10 02:50 PM Link | Quote | ID: 138246

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I did stick with Winamp during all these years due to what I'm used to, although I'm open for open source alternatives. Moving to Foobar seems silly as that would be moving from one proprietary alternative to another. :/ I'm not the kind of user who makes playlists as I been oddly content choosing the file I want to play rather than using playlists.

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blackhole89
Posted on 12-01-10 02:02 AM Link | Quote | ID: 138265


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Well, yes. They are basically ROMs/savestates for the Super Nintendo's audio coprocessor. There are open source libraries reliably emulating them around.

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