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 Red Koopa Level: 27 Posts: 102/131 EXP: 109219 Next: 6940 Since: 10-18-09 Last post: 4673 days Last view: 4333 days |
Why do all of the bad programmers have all the "credibility" while the good programmers don't? If you want to know where this old "The 65816 is so ****ing slow" bullshit came from, it is from programmers who were simply inexperienced with the 65816. Ask an experienced programmer who actually knew how to program the 65816 well and they'll tell you differently. |
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 CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 4330/5344 EXP: 30951583 Next: 711398 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4501 days Last view: 2636 days |
"The 65816 is so fucking slow."
"Have you tried programming it?" "Yeah, and it takes like twenty frames just to load a single full screen image!" "That can't be right. Just about every game I've seen does that kind of thing in at most two! Do you still have the code?" ... "Do you know what DMA transfers are?" "Yes, and I can't figure them out." "Well, it's not the 65816 that's slow, then. It's your code. DMA transfers run circles around naive copy loops. Especially these." ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks  — byuu |
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Red Koopa Level: 27 Posts: 103/131 EXP: 109219 Next: 6940 Since: 10-18-09 Last post: 4673 days Last view: 4333 days |
"The 65816 is so fucking slow."
"Have you tried programming it?" "Because it can't do 32-bit math!" "Why are you using 32-bit math?" "Because I'm using 32-bit variables for an object's coordinates." "How long are the levels?" "Oh, about 3000 pixels long." "Then why can't you just use 16-bit variables for coordinates, if you levels are less than 65536 pixels long?" |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 4331/5344 EXP: 30951583 Next: 711398 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4501 days Last view: 2636 days |
Yeah, stuff like that... What I'm wondering though is what bad programmers have to do with citations. ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
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Hats Steam Board2 group Level: 121 Posts: 3643/3965 EXP: 19783403 Next: 273293 Since: 02-19-07 From: Sweden, Skåne Last post: 3304 days Last view: 2055 days |
Posted by AaendiThe more you know, the more you know how little you know. Which is why less experienced programmers tend to be so cocksure. But it goes for any skill generally. ____________________ AIM: gamefreak1337, MSN: Emil_sim@spray.se, XMPP: ailure@xmpp.kafuka.org
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 Porcupo Level: 40 Posts: 219/313 EXP: 407159 Next: 34150 Since: 07-10-09 From: Marquette, Michigan Last post: 3315 days Last view: 1937 days |
You know, I actually tend to see the opposite on this. Experienced programmers being "cocksure" and not willing to help the people not as good, and/or belittling them, or not explaining what they mean and just give all the programming info. It's like if you knew a language, and someone doesn't who is just learning it, and they asked what a word meant, and you explained the whole meaning of the word, roots and all in the said language instead of their native language. It gets frustrating. *Rant over with* ____________________ セシル |
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 Ninji Level: 36 Posts: 231/238 EXP: 288712 Next: 19398 Since: 05-26-07 Last post: 4065 days Last view: 4014 days |
Posted by Kiokuffiib11 A common criticism I see is that while experienced programmers in advice threads obviously mean well, they don't always look at their own post from the perspective of a beginner and end up leaving out details that they think are 'obvious', and then the beginner is left confused... So sometimes they end up cramming every little thing they can think of in their post, even if it's only tangently relevant or genuinely obvious! Also, why is the thread being randomly derailed by the guy who started it?! =p |
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Level: 99 Posts: 1793/2602 EXP: 9757992 Next: 242008 Since: 07-12-09 Last post: 4500 days Last view: 4487 days |
Posted by smkdan Because his original point was shot down relatively quickly, and he decided to keep this thread going, despite being off topic. |
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Red Koopa Level: 27 Posts: 104/131 EXP: 109219 Next: 6940 Since: 10-18-09 Last post: 4673 days Last view: 4333 days |
Posted by Kawa On smwcentral, I once gave constructive criticism on a smw hack and said it needed some boss animation, and blackhole89 locked the thread because he didn't know how to program it. Then I made a new thread explaning sprite animation using DMA, then he locked it again claiming that it's "far beyond the capabilities on the system." |
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 The Guardian Moloch whose eyes are a thousand blind windows! Level: 124 Posts: 3500/4196 EXP: 21537612 Next: 298989 Since: 02-19-07 From: Ithaca, NY, US Last post: 474 days Last view: 87 days |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 4384/5344 EXP: 30951583 Next: 711398 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4501 days Last view: 2636 days |
Posted by AaendiI find the idea that BH would consider such a thing difficult to imagine. If only because DMA transfers >>> manual block transfers on just about any system that supports DMA. ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
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Red Koopa Level: 27 Posts: 105/131 EXP: 109219 Next: 6940 Since: 10-18-09 Last post: 4673 days Last view: 4333 days |
http://www.smwcentral.net/?p=viewthread&t=20281
http://www.smwcentral.net/?p=viewthread&t=20283 Okay, it wasn't Blackhole89 who was the douchbag who locked my thread. My memory serves me wrong. |
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The Guardian Moloch whose eyes are a thousand blind windows! Level: 124 Posts: 3502/4196 EXP: 21537612 Next: 298989 Since: 02-19-07 From: Ithaca, NY, US Last post: 474 days Last view: 87 days |
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