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 Red Koopa Level: 27 Posts: 98/131 EXP: 109214 Next: 6945 Since: 10-18-09 Last post: 4672 days Last view: 4333 days |
Every single debate I've ever had, I lost. Do you know why? Because the so-called "rules" of debate that everybody and their grandmother rely on are so ****ed up, that they force the idiot to win everytime, just because only the idiot is stupid enough to follow them. If the smart guy "me" tries to follow these so-called rules, I can't get my point across.
This is how EVERY single "debate" I ever had went. 1) I tell them some good news/philosophy/insight to make people happier and mentally/emotionally healthier, etc. 2) The other people think that just because I make a post, they HAVE to "debate" it. And when I say "debate" I mean, intentionally change their opinion to be strongly against my statement, despite the fact I said something they wanted to hear. 3) I show them some evidence, reason, explanation. 4) They ask me where did I get my information from. 5) I tell them it is just long abondonned common sense trying to be unleashed from their mind. No need for information sources, the knowledge is inside of you. 6) They go around coping and pasting poorly-written and contradictory articles from websites like wikipedia, claiming that they are "right" because they have a citation, and I am "wrong" just because I don't. Don't forget their personal attacks against me, sandwiched inbetween their wikipedia quotations. BTW, I don't like digging up past arguments, so please don't ask me to. |
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 The Guardian Moloch whose eyes are a thousand blind windows! Level: 124 Posts: 3429/4196 EXP: 21536845 Next: 299756 Since: 02-19-07 From: Ithaca, NY, US Last post: 473 days Last view: 86 days |
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 Yellow Stalfos Level: 71 Posts: 1082/1145 EXP: 3036358 Next: 130756 Since: 07-06-07 From: Québec Last post: 3629 days Last view: 2881 days |
That's weird. Sure, there are people that are hard to shake off on certain grounds, but why bother that much? |
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Red Koopa Level: 27 Posts: 99/131 EXP: 109214 Next: 6945 Since: 10-18-09 Last post: 4672 days Last view: 4333 days |
Posted by blackhole89 Because they never give me any "evidence to the contrary." |
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Level: 46 Posts: 342/416 EXP: 672237 Next: 39537 Since: 02-20-07 Last post: 4387 days Last view: 3095 days |
Burden of proof is always on the person making the assertion.
Presumed innocence before guilt, etc. Philosophically speaking, you can prove something is correct. Proving some things incorrect is in some places logically impossible. |
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 Porcupo Level: 40 Posts: 212/313 EXP: 407142 Next: 34167 Since: 07-10-09 From: Marquette, Michigan Last post: 3314 days Last view: 1937 days |
Can you give an example of one thing that is common sense, and people "Prove" you wrong? ____________________ セシル |
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 Cape Luigi Level: 131 Posts: 4507/4792 EXP: 26234802 Next: 189818 Since: 03-15-07 Last post: 3736 days Last view: 3648 days |
Posted by Aaendi...What. If someone says something that I agree with, I'm not going to go and say "wait no you're wrong I totally disagree with that [etc]", that's just dumb; who even does this? Are you sure this has actually happened...? Also, if you're not even trying to argue anything, why would everyone try and start an argument anyway? This seems unlikely, though I suppose if someone really hated you, it could happen. If you claim something is fact, you have to be able to support your claim with evidence. If that means showing that someone else has done research and proven it, then go ahead and link to it or whatever. If you did the research yourself, then provide your proof. It's simple. If you're talking about opinions, then say something to the effect of "well it's just my opinion, I'm not claiming facts here". "No need for information sources, the knowledge is inside of you" is just bullshit, I hope you didn't actually say that or something similar as source in a debate. ____________________ |
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 Ninji Level: 36 Posts: 230/238 EXP: 288702 Next: 19408 Since: 05-26-07 Last post: 4065 days Last view: 4014 days |
Posted by Aaendi
...? No surprises here if that's what your debating tactic boils down to. |
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Hats Steam Board2 group Level: 121 Posts: 3627/3965 EXP: 19782698 Next: 273998 Since: 02-19-07 From: Sweden, Skåne Last post: 3303 days Last view: 2054 days |
Problem with common sense is that it's a rather contradictory term, as common sense is very different amongst people.
I met people who believe for sure that ghosts/magic/gods exists cause it's just COMMON SENSE, and then refuse to follow up with a proper explanation. And what insights? A lot of the ones floating around are very incorrect I find, such as the classic "Only 10% of the brain is used while awake" claim. ____________________ AIM: gamefreak1337, MSN: Emil_sim@spray.se, XMPP: ailure@xmpp.kafuka.org
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 CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 4322/5344 EXP: 30950479 Next: 712502 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4500 days Last view: 2635 days |
Common sense: If I hit this dude until he dies, I'll probably get in trouble.
Citation needed: "If you kill a dude, you'll go to jail for breaking the law." "Oh? Show me that law." Kinda bad example, but blar to that. ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks  — byuu |
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Red Koopa Level: 27 Posts: 100/131 EXP: 109214 Next: 6945 Since: 10-18-09 Last post: 4672 days Last view: 4333 days |
Posted by Ailure Thankyou. You just described what I was trying to say perfectly. |
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The Guardian Moloch whose eyes are a thousand blind windows! Level: 124 Posts: 3432/4196 EXP: 21536845 Next: 299756 Since: 02-19-07 From: Ithaca, NY, US Last post: 473 days Last view: 86 days |
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Yellow Stalfos Level: 71 Posts: 1083/1145 EXP: 3036358 Next: 130756 Since: 07-06-07 From: Québec Last post: 3629 days Last view: 2881 days |
Maybe he was referring to intuition. The real definition of it, not the "sixth-sense" popular definition. For example, recognizing colors is in the realm of intuition, not reasoning... |
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Cape Luigi Level: 131 Posts: 4509/4792 EXP: 26234802 Next: 189818 Since: 03-15-07 Last post: 3736 days Last view: 3648 days |
Posted by AilureThe Mythbusters did that one, apparently it's true if you take it to mean: "At any one moment in time, while you're idle/not doing much, no more than about 10% of your brain will be active simultaneously." ____________________ |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 4323/5344 EXP: 30950479 Next: 712502 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4500 days Last view: 2635 days |
[Citation given] ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
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Level: 99 Posts: 1771/2602 EXP: 9757588 Next: 242412 Since: 07-12-09 Last post: 4499 days Last view: 4486 days |
Posted by KawaI see what you did there. |
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Red Koopa Level: 27 Posts: 101/131 EXP: 109214 Next: 6945 Since: 10-18-09 Last post: 4672 days Last view: 4333 days |
Posted by blackhole89 Have it ever bothered you when a citation doesn't have a citation? Or if the citation's citation doesn't have a citation? Or if the citation's citation's citation does not have a citation? |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 4325/5344 EXP: 30950479 Next: 712502 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4500 days Last view: 2635 days |
Posted by Aaendi"Nice try, young man. But it's On a more serious note, doctor Beyerstein doesn't need to give further citations -- he brought seven different pieces of evidence. Disprove one and there's six others left. ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
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Yellow Stalfos Level: 71 Posts: 1088/1145 EXP: 3036358 Next: 130756 Since: 07-06-07 From: Québec Last post: 3629 days Last view: 2881 days |
Still, it depends of the interdependencies in the chain of evidence. If all other 6 evidences are chain-dependant of the first, then the entire card castle is Anyway, we already know that citations are not proof. Citations are citations, and cats are cats. You can cite anyone, anytime, anywhere. That's convenient. Usually, it boils down to ad verecundiam arguments... |
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