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 Cheep-cheep Level: 33 Posts: 75/199 EXP: 222416 Next: 6763 Since: 02-21-07 Last post: 6101 days Last view: 6072 days |
I never even knew what the grave key was so Ive never used it. ____________________ If you read this, then you must really be bored. |
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Gone Level: 88 Posts: 897/1881 EXP: 6463767 Next: 186897 Since: 02-20-07 Last post: 6149 days Last view: 6140 days |
Yeah, I think it's a relic from the teletype days. A teletype had no screen, it was basically a printer connected to a computer. All output was immediately printed out. So you could get a letter like è by entering an e, then a backspace code, then `, causing the ` to appear over the e. When video screens started appearing, they lost the ability to display more than one character on top of each other like that, but the ASCII standard had already been developed and programmers found a use for characters like ` in programming languages and command-line environments. |
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... Level: 73 Posts: 32/1220 EXP: 3367611 Next: 118257 Since: 03-25-07 From: no Last post: 6094 days Last view: 6078 days |
When I first started using the Internet, I used ` as apostrophe. I remember typing stuff in DOS Edit and being annoyed that I had to press it twice. Someone said something like "you play too much pokemon, our keyboards have ' keys" and I looked and sure enough there was one, so I used that.  (Not sure what that has to do with Pokémon, but anyway...) |
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beh Level: 86 Posts: 933/1816 EXP: 6131396 Next: 10711 Since: 02-21-07 Last post: 6149 days Last view: 6149 days |
Yeah, I've also seen people write Poke`mon and stuff like that, which is annoying 
It's Pokémon, not Pokemon or Poke`mon. |
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Gone Level: 88 Posts: 946/1881 EXP: 6463767 Next: 186897 Since: 02-20-07 Last post: 6149 days Last view: 6140 days |
The diacritic omission that really pisses me off is "uber". The word is über, with an umlaut. Considering that ü can be substituted "ue" in German if you can't type an umlaut, there is no excuse for "uber" becuse you can type "ueber" if you can't get the ü or are too lazy. |
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 Spike Dragon Level: 57 Posts: 187/705 EXP: 1483335 Next: 2593 Since: 02-19-07 From: 
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That`s just uber infromation 2 kno! 
It didn't really get on my nerves that much. Well not as much as this: "It?s just Mike?s car." ____________________  |
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... Level: 73 Posts: 54/1220 EXP: 3367611 Next: 118257 Since: 03-25-07 From: no Last post: 6094 days Last view: 6078 days |
Not many people know how to type extended characters like é or that you can use ue in place of ü, though. |
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Happy Hour! Level: 81 Posts: 17/1556 EXP: 4850500 Next: 142349 Since: 03-25-07 Last post: 2679 days Last view: 2677 days |
And I just type Pocket Monsters. I'm a freak, I know. I still remember trying to code things on the C64.  ____________________ 
What FF7: Advent Children Character Are You? |
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... Level: 73 Posts: 58/1220 EXP: 3367611 Next: 118257 Since: 03-25-07 From: no Last post: 6094 days Last view: 6078 days |
Oh God what were they on when they made that layout? |
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Gone Level: 88 Posts: 962/1881 EXP: 6463767 Next: 186897 Since: 02-20-07 Last post: 6149 days Last view: 6140 days |
Hmmm...the worst thing about the C64 keyboards were that they had only two arrow keys. You had to do shift-right for left, and shift-down for up. On the other hand, the screen editor allowed you to change a program line simply by moving the cursor up to the line, entering the change and hitting return. On Apple IIs and most other contemporary computers, you had to retype the whole line. |
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Level: 75 Posts: 772/1301 EXP: 3718338 Next: 108566 Since: 02-19-07 From: Canada |
Posted by Kernal That... makes no sense, whatsoever. Come on. |
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Hats Steam Board2 group Level: 121 Posts: 537/3965 EXP: 19783935 Next: 272761 Since: 02-19-07 From: Sweden, Skåne Last post: 3304 days Last view: 2055 days |
*ok, this is a quote*
I followed Kles suggestion. Did I do it right?
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Spike Dragon Level: 57 Posts: 197/705 EXP: 1483335 Next: 2593 Since: 02-19-07 From:
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If you look at ASCII, you'll notice that before the numbers is the shift+number symbols.
On the c64, " was shift+2. Let's see, so what comes after ! (shift+1) in ascii? 
Also, on the c128, they fixed the arrow keys, so there were 4, one for each direction. Granted they were on the topmost row of keys, and the said dual-directional keys still were on the keyboard, but that's not the point.  ____________________ |
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Gone Level: 88 Posts: 1021/1881 EXP: 6463767 Next: 186897 Since: 02-20-07 Last post: 6149 days Last view: 6140 days |
Oddly, enough, the Commodores didn't use ASCII. They used PETSCII and Screen codes.
PETSCII is ASCII-based but has several differences, the biggest one being that the uppercase and lowercase letters were reversed, so lowercase was 65-90 and uppercase was 97-122. Some other symbols were different, such as \ was a British pound and ^ was an up arrow. 0-31 and 128-159 were control codes radically different from those in standard ASCII. Backspace was 20, for instance. Codes 160-191 were graphics symbols like line-drawing characters and such, and 192-255 were just repeats of various lower characters. Screen codes were used by the video chip and some word processors. Reverse video characters had their own set of Screen codes which were 128-255, and all the printable characters are crammed into 0-127 with no control codes. The lowercase alphabet is codes 1-26 and uppercase is 65-90. Not only that, the Commodores had two character sets, and both PETSCII and Screen codes could be referring to either set, plus you could make custom character sets in RAM. One set is as described above and the other only has uppercase letters and additional graphics characters including card suits. Basically, if there were two ways of doing anything, IBM and clones did it one way and Commodore was the exact opposite. |
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