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| Main - ROM Hacking - Yoshi's Island - Touch Fuzzy, Get Stoned Off Your Ass | New thread | New reply |
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 CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 3770/5344 EXP: 30944115 Next: 718866 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4498 days Last view: 2633 days |
Hypothesis - The "stoned" effect in the Yoshi's Island BGM is done by the music engine.
Argument - If you take an SPC dump of a track while stoned and let it loop, the effect ends. Question - If you take a level with, say, the Underground music and add a Fuzzy there (or edit "Touch Fuzzy, Get Dizzy" to use that song), does the Underground music distort? Somebody needs to try this. ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks  — byuu |
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 Super Koopa Level: 62 Posts: 786/842 EXP: 1935462 Next: 49224 Since: 02-19-07 From: durff Last post: 4488 days Last view: 4011 days |
Based on my experience with SPC engines, I'm inclined to say that you are right. ____________________ Zelda Hacking Forum hobbies: delectatio morosa |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 3771/5344 EXP: 30944115 Next: 718866 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4498 days Last view: 2633 days |
Yeah well, y'see, my SPC set came with "stoned" versions of Flower Garden, Athletic and Overworld, but not for example, Training Course, Underground or Castle/Fortress.
And yes, once those three repeat, they sober up. This makes me wonder how the GBA port did it. I know it's the M4A (aka Sappy) engine, and I know that it does not support such tricks... ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
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Super Koopa Level: 62 Posts: 787/842 EXP: 1935462 Next: 49224 Since: 02-19-07 From: durff Last post: 4488 days Last view: 4011 days |
M4A doesn't support modulation of pitch during playback? ____________________ Zelda Hacking Forum hobbies: delectatio morosa |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 3772/5344 EXP: 30944115 Next: 718866 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4498 days Last view: 2633 days |
Not to my knowledge, and not on just specific tracks.
Come to think of it, it -might- be possible... but let's get back to the SNES version. Do you think you could help, shall we say, expand the SPC set by adding stoned Training, Underground and Castle tracks? ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
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Super Koopa Level: 62 Posts: 788/842 EXP: 1935462 Next: 49224 Since: 02-19-07 From: durff Last post: 4488 days Last view: 4011 days |
edit: nevermind, I forgot that snesmusic org lists the track names. It's in that set (I pretty much expected it to.) ____________________ Zelda Hacking Forum hobbies: delectatio morosa |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 3773/5344 EXP: 30944115 Next: 718866 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4498 days Last view: 2633 days |
Well, yeah. Snesmusic.org's set seems to be identical to the Zophar set I got, in that it has just those three "stoned" songs. My question was, after all, if you could help expand that set of three into a set of six, y'see? ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
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Super Koopa Level: 62 Posts: 789/842 EXP: 1935462 Next: 49224 Since: 02-19-07 From: durff Last post: 4488 days Last view: 4011 days |
Haven't exactly figured it out yet, but it seems that the stoned effect is solely on channel 0... just gotta figure out how it's doing it. Can't be pitch modulation (PMON register) because that only works on channels 1-7...
edit: Yeah, something is just making the pitch on channel 0 jump all over the place, but what? edit2: I managed to make the castle theme do something very similar, but I don't have 100% understanding of what caused it. Also, it seems that the effect is nullified after about 7-8 seconds into the song. Knowing how N-SPC works, it probably moved on to another "part" of the song, thus nullifying my vibrato effect. That is how this is being done, I'm sure. How the game communicates to the N-SPC to initiate vibrato is unknown, though. My trouble keeping the effect going also indicates that there's bound to be some problems trying to directly edit SPC files to produce this effect. That is, it may be easier to just hack the game, touch a fuzzy, then dump the SPC. Hard to say at this point. ____________________ Zelda Hacking Forum hobbies: delectatio morosa |
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 Red Cheep-cheep Level: 33 Posts: 189/202 EXP: 226332 Next: 2847 Since: 04-21-07 From: United States Last post: 2420 days Last view: 2381 days |
Give this PAR code a try:
7E005921 When activated, this code makes every sound effect sent to the I/O port the touch Fuzzy sound, complete with the tempo change and pitch distortion. If you replace 21 with 22, the music will return to normal at any point when a sound effect is normally played. For the curious, here's the complete list of values: 01- Unpause Game 02- Pause Game 03- Swimming/Grabbing egg 04- Object Appearing/Spitting out enemy 05- Power Up/Beanstalk sprouting 06- Slot Machine spinning (SMW egg hatching) 07- Bones Crumbling 08- 1-UP 09- Coin 0A- Breaking Sound 0B- Shell Sound #1 0C- Shell Sound #2 0D- Shell Sound #3 0E- Shell Sound #4 0F- Shell Sound #5 10- Shell Sound #6 11- Shell Sound #7 12- Shell Sound #8 13- Bouncing 14- Yoshi digesting 15- Growing block 16- Balloon inflating 17- Yoshi hurt 18- Coins spilling (SMW Dragon Coin) 19- End-level ring (SMW Midway Tape) 1A- Aiming egg (SMW Yoshi sticking out tongue) 1B- Rotating spike stick ticking 1C- Stomp enemy 1D- Poof 1E- Chink 1F- Hitting head on ceiling 20- Throwing an egg 21- Touch fuzzy w/ weird music effect 22- Changes music back to normal 23- Green Glove catching egg 24- Nothing? 25- Piranha Plant shrinking 26- Tap-Tap Walking 27- Powerful Mario Star 28- Tin clanking sound #1 29- Tin clanking sound #2 2A- Tin clanking sound #3 2B- Tin clanking sound #4 2C- Coin Tapping Ground 2D- Selecting "No" at "Try this stage again?" screen 2E- Hitting '?' Bucket 2F- '?' Bucket hitting ground 30- Powerful Mario Star Appearing 31- Entering Pipe 32- Hitting Message Block 33- "Keep Moving" Platforms 34- Trying to enter pinball gate from wrong side 35- Frog bouncing 36- Flower 37- Yoshi Hovering/Empty Egg Plant 38- Baby Mario jumping 39- Piranha Plant chomping 3A- Stomping on Shy Guy 3B- Pop 3C- Yoshi trying to eat something that's inedible 3D- Baby Mario kidnapped 3E- Yoshi licking 3F- Hookbill hit by egg 40- Door opening 41- Door closing 42- Nothing? 43- Yoshi 44- Baby Mario Crying 45- Spitting watermelon seeds 46- Collapsing? 47- Wall falling 48- Thunder/Huge blocks falling 49- Yoshi jumping 4A- Yoshi trying to throw an egg when he has none 4B- Stairs appearing #1 4C- Stairs appearing #2 4D- Stairs appearing #3 4E- Stairs appearing #4 4F- Stairs appearing #5 50- Message appearing/Lakitu throwing Spiny Egg 51- Bonfire Lakitu ready to fire 52- Lower version of 51 53- Lower version of above 54- Lower version of above 55- Lower version of above 56- End of Message 57- Losing stars (over 10) 58- Losing stars (under 10) 59- Chomp Rock rolling 5A- Squeaking 5B- Kamek 5C- Moving Cursor 5D- Entering Level/Train entering track 5E- Frog croaking twice 5F- Water splashing 60- Walking on mud 61- Spitting lava 62- Bumping Melon Bug 63- Lakitu aiming shot 64- Unlocking door 65- Frog croaking once 66- Vase breaking 67- Enemy tumbling 68- Dancing Spear Guy chant #2 69- Dancing Spear Guy chant #1 6A- Ferris wheel platform #1 6B- Ferris wheel platform #2 6C- Ferris wheel platform #3 6D- Incoming Chomp flying in 6E- Fly Guy flying away/Tulip giving stars 6F- Nothing? 70- Transformation music (full) 71- Transformation music Ch. 1 72- Transformation music Ch. 2 73- Flipping for butt stomp 74- Boss exploding(full) 75- Li'l Mouser/Grinder/Tap-Tap squeaking 76- Shy-Guy peeking out of pipe 77- Shy-Guy jumping out of pipe 78- Boss hurt 79- Ghost hurt 7A- Nep-Enut hurt 7B- Naval Piranha chomping 7C- Sluggy the unshaven moving? 7D- Transformation expiring 7E- Switch timer ticking 7F- Switch timer running out 80- Boss defeated 81- Hookbill defeated? 82- Hookbill falling? 83- Roger the Potted Ghost/Lunge Fish chomping 84- Tap-Tap the Red Nose/Tap-Tap the Golden walking 85- Largest Milde popping 86- 2nd largest Milde popping 87- Castle ready to explode 88- 3rd largest Milde popping 89- Another falling sound 8A- Baby Bowser hurt 8B- Baby Bowser flipping for butt stomp 8C- Baby Bowser talking 8D- Baby Bowser yawning 8E- Baby Bowser's first form defeated 8F- Correct sound 90- Incorrect sound 91- Big Baby Bowser roaring 92- Big Baby Bowser hurt 93- Red Coin 94- Last Red Coin 95- Bonus Challenge 96- Pushing "Jell-O" 97- World Completed Fanfare 98- Walking through snow 99- Castle exploding 9A- Kamek flying in on his broom 9B- Yoshi's head stuck in yellow gunk/Yoshi walking in world completed sequence 9C- Egg ricocheting #1 9D- Egg ricocheting #2 9E- Egg ricocheting #3 9F- Stork flapping wings A0- Freezing enemy w/blue watermelon A1- Breaking frozen enemy A2- Poochy running ____________________ |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 3781/5344 EXP: 30944115 Next: 718866 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4498 days Last view: 2633 days |
Posted by MathOnNapkinsActually, the SPCs themselves keep the effect going until the loop point has been reached... I wonder if there's just some Fuzzy flag in the music engine that could be set in the SPC files... ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
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Super Koopa Level: 62 Posts: 796/842 EXP: 1935462 Next: 49224 Since: 02-19-07 From: durff Last post: 4488 days Last view: 4011 days |
N-SPC songs are not divided into "start" and "loop" points. They're divided into segments of varying length called "parts". If the spc song in your set is set to the very beginning of the song, and it has an introductory "part", the fuzzy effect will only last the duration of the introduction, which could be 5-15 seconds depending on the song.
And I'm tellin' ya, it's the vibrato effect. It's actually present in all N-SPC drivers going back to 1990. It's just no one really used it for this kind of thing before that. I was able to hex edit the Flower Garden (Stoned).spc file with only 2-3 values changed and I disabled the stoned effect. Enabling it was trickier though, because it's easy to disable the vibrato effect but harder to start it up properly. ____________________ Zelda Hacking Forum hobbies: delectatio morosa |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 3783/5344 EXP: 30944115 Next: 718866 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4498 days Last view: 2633 days |
When I said "loop point" I meant the actual "point where you can tell things have started over regardless of internal structure"... but whatever. This is getting uncomfortably detailed. ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
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Super Koopa Level: 62 Posts: 797/842 EXP: 1935462 Next: 49224 Since: 02-19-07 From: durff Last post: 4488 days Last view: 4011 days |
Well have a listen, you be the judge. It ain't perfect but nothing is.
http://acmlm.kafuka.org/uploader/get.php?id=3248 From personal experience, trying to edit spc files to manipulate them into doing what you want is often a futile exercise, but it depends on what you want to do. edit: I also think for this you need to make sure that the instrument with the vibrato (fuzzy) effect is never keyed off. And depending on the song that might be futile as well. ____________________ Zelda Hacking Forum hobbies: delectatio morosa |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 3784/5344 EXP: 30944115 Next: 718866 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4498 days Last view: 2633 days |
That's like... a few seconds in a background track and then nothing special. But after the above, I'm not surprised. ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
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Super Koopa Level: 62 Posts: 798/842 EXP: 1935462 Next: 49224 Since: 02-19-07 From: durff Last post: 4488 days Last view: 4011 days |
That would be because the instrument is not appropriate for the stoned effect. If it were using a different instrument it would sound almost identical to the Flower Garden one. ____________________ Zelda Hacking Forum hobbies: delectatio morosa |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 3785/5344 EXP: 30944115 Next: 718866 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4498 days Last view: 2633 days |
I guessed as much.
Thread over, then? ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
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Super Koopa Level: 62 Posts: 799/842 EXP: 1935462 Next: 49224 Since: 02-19-07 From: durff Last post: 4488 days Last view: 4011 days |
Well I'd at least get someone try it with a hacked rom, but don't look at me  .
More stoned version (still only lasts about 9 seconds) http://acmlm.kafuka.org/uploader/get.php?id=3249 Now the thread is over. ____________________ Zelda Hacking Forum hobbies: delectatio morosa |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 3786/5344 EXP: 30944115 Next: 718866 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4498 days Last view: 2633 days |
Nine seconds which are exactly the introduction part. Loop start and it's gone. Sounds funky enough though.
Thread over. ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
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