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knuck
Posted on 06-18-10 11:29 PM Link | Quote | ID: 132115


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Posted on 06-18-10 11:36 PM Link | Quote | ID: 132116


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I'm in the channel fine right now.

If you mean the deadness, then I have no idea.

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knuck
Posted on 06-19-10 12:52 AM Link | Quote | ID: 132117


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Why the +m in there? Is it some wicked idea to get people to post more?

blackhole89
Posted on 06-19-10 02:01 AM Link | Quote | ID: 132119


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Yes, given that the board had dropped to a one-digit number of posts again.

If you have a better suggestion, go ahead.

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Tyty
Posted on 06-19-10 02:02 AM Link | Quote | ID: 132120


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More interesting topics? This seems more annoying than helpful.

I've been going other places to chat.

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blackhole89
Posted on 06-19-10 02:11 AM Link | Quote | ID: 132122


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You are saying it like "YOU go and make interesting topics, then I might have something to contribute to them!". This is not how forums work.

And well, so far, it's at least been working as far as getting out of the lowest activity pits goes. If the board falls beyond redemption, IRC is going to be thrown into the incinerator alongside anyway, so I don't see how it is an inadequate measure.

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Tyty
Posted on 06-19-10 02:16 AM Link | Quote | ID: 132123


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Posted by blackhole89
You are saying it like "YOU go and make interesting topics, then I might have something to contribute to them!". This is not how forums work.

Well, if you haven't noticed, I'm one of the lowest thread outputters on every forum I go to. I suck at making threads.

Not to mention I've hardly been posting anywhere.

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blackhole89
Posted on 06-19-10 02:24 AM Link | Quote | ID: 132124


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If you were looking at me specifically, I made quite a number of threads, and a neglectable number of them got anywhere.

But yeah, something is wrong if the continued operation of a forum depends on a single person making threads, and all the more so if that single person also is a staff member.

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Posted on 06-19-10 03:57 AM (rev. 2 of 06-19-10 05:07 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 132128


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Hmmm, this is indeed an interesting situation. I think the question we have to ask ourselves is "Why are we not adding new content to the board? Is that not the purpose of this place? What is missing?" I was guessing that it was simply because everyone is out of classes and they are either on vacation, working most of the day, or in general just bored out of their minds to post anything of significance. I know that at least from a Fraxy standpoint this seems to be the case as there has been very little activity anywhere (board2, UFF, Academy, and YouTube). Even a new version has yet to be released since March...

Enough though about that. It also doesn't help things that IRC satisfies the role of instant gratification discussions, generally things that may or may not be worthy enough to be posted as a thread either due to the quality of content and/or it would be a bit too inconvenient to communicate in an effective manner. Would this and IRC change the role of what a discussion board like board2 fulfills now? I'm guessing this is the question BH is trying to answer.

I do have some semi-unrelated questions though:

1) I know that old post bumping is not encouraged but are there some cases where it might be considered such as topics created by a user posting a user's content and topic important sticky threads?

2) Is there a list or something somewhere in board2 that shows all of the tags and things a user can do when they post like YouTube tags and the like?

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NightKev
Posted on 06-19-10 06:21 AM Link | Quote | ID: 132133


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Just going to say, chat in IRC != posts/threads on a message board. IRC is real-time chat, which isn't really possible on a message board unless you don't mind massive back-and-forth semi-spam posts (although I guess even spam is better than no activity :durr:).

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Posted on 06-19-10 11:53 AM Link | Quote | ID: 132139

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Well, for those who want some stats, I made this simple realtime Board2 activity graph out of boredom:
(note: it uses the daily stats table of stats.php, so you know)

Linked 'cause it's a huge image

Looks like we're averaging lower than usual, since a few days. That's bad.
Though right now I have no idea how to fix that.

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blackhole89
Posted on 06-19-10 12:22 PM Link | Quote | ID: 132140


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Well, the problem was that IRC also gradually was absorbing debate topics and generally everything that would ostensibly more appropriately be discussed in a forum.#

The other problem is that there is actually, as stupid as it sounds, a certain psychological effect associated with activity, no matter whether it's spam or not. Regardless of all "LOL POSTCOUNTS ARE LARGE I'LL MAKE THEM EVEN LARGER!!1" platitudes, a large postcount signifies to the potential poster that there is an eager audience around and that, if he were to post about $pettopic, people would actually be there to listen to what he has to say and respond, thus encouraging the postage.

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chungy
Posted on 06-19-10 07:23 PM Link | Quote | ID: 132167


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IRC is used that pretty much everywhere. What were you expecting?

This is pretty much a retarded move but I don't care about #acmlm anyway

knuck
Posted on 06-19-10 11:02 PM Link | Quote | ID: 132184


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Posted by blackhole89
You are saying it like "YOU go and make interesting topics, then I might have something to contribute to them!". This is not how forums work.

And well, so far, it's at least been working as far as getting out of the lowest activity pits goes. If the board falls beyond redemption, IRC is going to be thrown into the incinerator alongside anyway, so I don't see how it is an inadequate measure.

That's not how it works. I don't see how IRC couldn't exist without the forum since uh, people talk in there, the community seems to like it better there, N other points I don't even need to make. It seems you have a need to have this place alive, just like you did for tRO2. No, I'm not trolling, it looks like you have the same reasons as before. =|

So, no, don't blame IRC for this community failing. If anything, blame Xkeeper/||bass/Acmlm. =X

blackhole89
Posted on 06-19-10 11:09 PM Link | Quote | ID: 132185


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Well, you are pretty much exactly right about the "need" part. Even with all the involvement of others, I can't really deny having been involved in such a considerable number of hallmark steps towards the present situation that it would be entirely absurd to deny responsibility, and accordingly, I'd see it as a complete and bitter personal failure if the board was to die. Now, the thing is that I am a rather stubborn and obstinate person and will fight to the end to prevent such complete and bitter personal failures.

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chungy
Posted on 06-20-10 07:52 AM Link | Quote | ID: 132196


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You'd get over it.

Quick Curly
Posted on 06-20-10 10:24 AM Link | Quote | ID: 132201


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Posted by NightKev
Even spam is better than no activity.
SHA-SPAM!!!!!

No, but seriously. It's upsetting to hear that the board is apparently inactive enough to believe that it won't survive. Board 2 is the only forum I go on anymore. I might not log in and post everyday, but the first thing I always do as soon as I get on the computer is come on and see what's going on. True, there doesn't seem to be as much action as there could be, but we have to believe that it'll get better. We have to! ... Right?

Oh, and I don't use IRC at all, so like with many other scenarios, I'm probably the oddball in this case as well.

blackhole89, do you have any ideas other than new threads that could possibly increase activity? As I recall, last spring/summer there was a little boost in activity when the KCS was used to help initiate more posts. Plus it seemed that there were more ROM hacking projects going on, which honestly is what I'm personally most interested in. Now it seems like things just get put off all the time, unfortunately. While probably unlikely, could reviving the KCS concept possibly influence the flow activity in a positive manner, with any luck?

Also, while it has been established that Forum Games should not be the focal point of activity, it has been known to help generate user interest which could encourage additional activity in other forum areas as well, which would be great. Forum Games threads such as Revival of the "Rearrangement" Thread, Stark's Triangle Math Puzzle, and even Relation Creation met unexplainable deaths and no one has bothered with them since. It's funny because I sent NightKev a PM in mid-January asking about the Rearrangement Thread and was informed that it would resume, but it never did. In cases like these, I would be more than thrilled to try taking them over to try to continue them, considering such threads met an end only because those controlling them left the users without any further opportunities to post in them, but I don't consider myself as established a member as all of the originals, so I never felt it was my place to try to do something in any of those cases.

Exploring the "abandonment" aspect in a little more depth though, it explains a lot in how activity went from a high to a low faster than any of us expected. DahrkDaiz generated a lot of ROM hacking, specifically SMB3 hacking interest with Reuben, although that has been put on hold. As I previously mentioned, a lot of the Forum Games have been rendered inactive due to those in control disappearing to who knows where. So while you, blackhole89, have pointed out that indeed, it should not be up to one member to start threads and attempt to encourage activity, perhaps it should be considered that the members who are here should be those in control of such activity-promoting topics, activities, etc. While it doesn't cover all areas of board activity, in my personal view, every little bit in any situation is adequate and makes a difference. For example, instead of waiting for Traffic Light to return to resume NegaLingo!, couldn't someone else start one or even something similar? There are more staff members than I can count on one hand who have been more inactive than inactive regular members. Could a change in the landscape aspect of things bring about more positive results? There's a chance that it might not, but on the other hand, having a bunch of inactive staff doesn't help too much when trying to promote activity either, does it? If you believe that the board is on its way out, what could it hurt? Are those long-gone staff members really ever going to come back?

What if people were asked to list off which sections of the forum interest them the most, and which they do not bother with at all? A lot of the sections are still considerably active, but evidently a few sections are pretty much dead. Personally I never cared for the Debate forum since I'm not much for debating. Should there be new sections as long as they can generate interest and promote activity? Asking users what they would be interested in might encourage them to frequent the board more, since there are more personally interesting opportunities for them; not to mention what the discussion of such matters alone could help do for the board's activity.

I apologize if you feel like I'm rambling and just spewing out nonsensical crap, but please just know that I for one am trying to be sincere and considerate despite my unfamiliarity when it comes to communities in general (as I usually keep to myself). I feel that Board 2 is an important part of everyone's lives; essentially those who frequent it in one way or another, whether it is for the ROM hacking or on a personal level.

When it comes down to it, what I am trying to summarize here is instead of everyone sitting back and just waiting for something to happen, let's do something for ourselves. If the feeling around here is that activity is at an all-time low or whatever - and Mega-Mario's convenient visual solidifies the claim - let's approach this proactively. If Board 2 means as much to you as it does to any active member, let's not let it die!

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Posted on 06-20-10 05:25 PM Link | Quote | ID: 132212

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Didn't you go to Jul at some point? I can remember you registering there under the name of Kuikkukari... name that came out of Translation party

I would post stuff about hacking here, but hacking on this board isn't quite active...

Pretty much the same goes everywhere. Posting is not exciting if noone else replies. And if you reply to yourself, it becomes spamming

So yeah. One person alone obviously can't run a board Making this board not die is a collective effort, we all need to post!

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Posted on 06-20-10 09:06 PM Link | Quote | ID: 132217


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Posted by Mega-Mario
Didn't you go to Jul at some point? I can remember you registering there under the name of Kuikkukari... name that came out of Translation party

I would post stuff about hacking here, but hacking on this board isn't quite active...

Pretty much the same goes everywhere. Posting is not exciting if noone else replies. And if you reply to yourself, it becomes spamming

So yeah. One person alone obviously can't run a board Making this board not die is a collective effort, we all need to post!
Only due to an SMB3 hacking topic, which met an untimely death as well. I go to Board 2 more than any other board because I normally find more interesting ROM hacking occurring here. Romhacking.net evidently has quite a bit of ROM hacking, but the majority of it is for games that I'm not familiar with at all and would never play. With Jul, it's great that there's a Super Mario 64 centric section - if only I hacked Super Mario 64. I'm a hardcore old-school gamer. It is an extremely rare occasion that there is a newer game that I like and want to play, mostly because I don't want to spend any of my money on those newer games when I'll never get tired of my favourite NES games.

It's funny that you should mention that though; the Translation Equilibrium Generator met an untimely death too!

What kind of ROM hacking would you be interested in? It never hurts to try. Plus sometimes, knowledgeable ROM hackers are drawn out when there is a user who they can help.

I completely agree. Not everyone can post in everything; as mentioned earlier, certain topics and areas of discussion are not interesting and/or familiar to everyone, but there should always be an area in which someone feels at home. They just have to knock on the door and be let in!

Haz
Posted on 06-21-10 01:51 AM Link | Quote | ID: 132227


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I'm all for the revival of threads like that, they are interesting little things. It seems like it would be a good idea to revive old good threads like those.
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