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 CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 3775/5344 EXP: 30965144 Next: 697837 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4506 days Last view: 2641 days |
Ailure's just about right there.
Contrasted to most religions, Science™ tends not to accept supernatural explanations, but not all supernatural would be grounds to ignore. Here's a hypothetical situation that Science™ would find worthy of serious further study, courtesy of Dr. Myers: Religion's problem, ofcourse, is that events such as this just haven't occured. Some preacher may say that God came to him in a dream, but that's just one guy and it was explicitely a dream, So Yeah. It's also a cliché, so a bunch of preachers may say God came to them in their dreams, but stupidly, they all claim to have been told different things, often wildly so, in contrast to the simple message in the example above, given to various nonspecific people. Y'see? ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks  — byuu |
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 Popo Level: 51 Posts: 490/539 EXP: 991891 Next: 22047 Since: 02-20-07 From: Kasuto Last post: 4797 days Last view: 4797 days |
My family is very religious. So I get to observe plenty of arguments about stuff like this. Science Vs. Religion. This and that, and what is what.
Do people really, actually enjoy engaging in such fruitless discussion? It only brings out contention, which I try to avoid as best I can. Why do people like contention? Edit: I don't expect an answer to that. Haha. It's obvious. I'm just glad there is no fighting here, so yay. |
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 Panser Level: 41 Posts: 215/333 EXP: 444063 Next: 36082 Since: 09-20-09 Last post: 4965 days Last view: 4971 days |
My grandma is also religious, and she really made one important point that hit me hard. She ask "why I'm more concerned about facts, when I should be more concerned about finding a job, and get a better a life." Yup, that one silenced me.
Well, let's just forget about that religion crap. Who cares about it anyway? I'm sure the truth would come out eventually, and there's nothing the pope or any know-it-all guru could do something about it. Anyway, I already did my part by warning them about possible religious trickery. That information was enough. It's now up to them to believe or not. ____________________ SUPER MARIO RPG EXPANSION MY PERSONAL BLOG Got any SMRPG Hacking related question? astralgamma.nursing-resource.com |
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 Cape Luigi Level: 131 Posts: 4257/4792 EXP: 26247277 Next: 177343 Since: 03-15-07 Last post: 3742 days Last view: 3654 days |
IP: Well, I'm going to answer you anyway. Fighting is fun, of course! Why do you think boxing and wrestling etc are popular? I prefer non-lethal debating to stuff like that, though I guess most don't care what form... ____________________ |
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Panser Level: 41 Posts: 217/333 EXP: 444063 Next: 36082 Since: 09-20-09 Last post: 4965 days Last view: 4971 days |
Posted by NightKev Well if it's sport then I'll agree with you. The problem is that this kind of debate often turns personal, because if you say that their belief is wrong, it affects their ego. It's like saying "you're a nut to believe in some shit" right on their face. I'd like to debate stuff like this with you guys and to a few friends who takes discussions professionally, but note that not everyone likes it and not everyone would take it kindly. Politics and Religion are actually two of the many topics that should be avoided as much as possible, simply because it offends other people. ____________________ SUPER MARIO RPG EXPANSION MY PERSONAL BLOG Got any SMRPG Hacking related question? astralgamma.nursing-resource.com |
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You need to think your shit through. Level: 26 Posts: 38/112 EXP: 93231 Next: 9044 Since: 05-27-07 From: Louisiane Last post: 4773 days Last view: 4524 days |
Morality with atheism... this is what I have.
Basically, those who act morally without any external reason are truly better people than those who act kindly only because they fear punishment or expect a reward. Basically, I reject the ´carrot´ or ´stick´ model. I simply do things because they are the right things to do. Am I arrogant to believe I know what is right and what is wrong? Maybe, but those who believe an invisible holy being gives them goodness are even more arrogant. ____________________  |
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Level: 82 Posts: 1287/1610 EXP: 5121173 Next: 88054 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 3612 days Last view: 4602 days |
Posted by Alkis What sort of morals and value system do you have? it just seems to be the generic Randian utilitarianism which is hardly commendable. |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 3834/5344 EXP: 30965144 Next: 697837 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4506 days Last view: 2641 days |
Posted by AlkisI believe I know what's right and wrong, but I don't think that's arrogant. Actually, if you want to get into semantics, "I believe I know" sounds more arrogant than "I belief I have a pretty good idea" if you ask me, but that's just my opinion, man. ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
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Armor Guardian Level: 81 Posts: 1403/1562 EXP: 4892405 Next: 100444 Since: 02-23-07 From: Wild Side Arcade Last post: 322 days Last view: 63 days |
ATTN Scientists™: Reports indicate that Religion™ has a secret weapon.
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Panser Level: 41 Posts: 234/333 EXP: 444063 Next: 36082 Since: 09-20-09 Last post: 4965 days Last view: 4971 days |
Whoa!
That reminds of the mental hospital we once served during our practice duty, only that the mental patients back there weren't this violent. =P Now for something that really works! ____________________ SUPER MARIO RPG EXPANSION MY PERSONAL BLOG Got any SMRPG Hacking related question? astralgamma.nursing-resource.com |
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 Shyguy Level: 22 Posts: 79/81 EXP: 54439 Next: 3911 Since: 01-27-09 From: #tuy Last post: 4817 days Last view: 818 days |
I couldn't agree more... ____________________ |
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You need to think your shit through. Level: 26 Posts: 43/112 EXP: 93231 Next: 9044 Since: 05-27-07 From: Louisiane Last post: 4773 days Last view: 4524 days |
Posted by SXPosted by Alkis I despise Objectivism and the entire mentality behind Ayn Rand´s writings. I am an utilitarian in that I wish to see resources allocated efficiently and sustain-ably. I believe collective goods should only be spent on those things which the free market cannot provide for in a just manner. Art and culture can be done without many resources and are not necessary, therefore they can be made by people seeking enjoyment or profit, it does not really matter. Health care, on the other hand, is a matter of life, misery, or death and it is not profitable to help those in need, therefore it must be collective. A Randian would just tell you that those who cannot afford health care deserved to die anyways because they were too stupid to save for such an event or to take care of their own health. I am not a Randian, I understand human reality and that it is impossible for everyone to be rich, and that there are many good people out there who are simply not good with money. Now I understand that I come across as a heartless monster, and maybe you are right. After all, I have spent a lot of time around right-wingers who like to spout misanthropic vitriol and I think some of that has rubbed off on me. ____________________ |
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