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Ailure
Posted on 08-17-10 12:09 AM (rev. 2 of 08-17-10 12:10 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 134498

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All I can say is that it should probably be centered vertically, the 11x11 minipic clinging to the bottom of the text looks weird.

Messing with paint the text is about 16 pixels tall so I can see 16x16 working, but it depends on whenever we should keep the old legacy minipic support or not. I don't mind it either way.

Edit: Should probably add a way to remove the minipic too, added a dummy one to test it out before I realized that.

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I really don't see why we can't make the usernames larger. I think that would look kickass. Or maybe we could have another one of those dumbass items enabling you to have a 16x16 minipic. It would make your name bigger too. And it could be called e-peen.

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Posted on 08-17-10 12:13 AM Link | Quote | ID: 134500

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Posted by KP9000
Or maybe we could have another one of those dumbass items enabling you to have a 16x16 minipic. It would make your name bigger too. And it could be called e-peen.


I already have the WXGA+ TFT display. I don't have any free equipment slots to wield an e-peen.

Unless we finally get around to implementing the Inventory.

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Posted on 08-17-10 12:17 AM Link | Quote | ID: 134501


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Well, we *have* someone willing to code, but for some reason there's a problem with getting the willing to talk to those with access and vice-versa.

Also, that post had me srs lolling

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Posted by KP9000
I really don't see why we can't make the usernames larger. I think that would look kickass. Or maybe we could have another one of those dumbass items enabling you to have a 16x16 minipic. It would make your name bigger too. And it could be called e-peen.

Might as well just switch to IPB.

Seriously, having a compact layout that doesn't distract from the actual posts with too many pointless UI elements always was one Acmlmboard's strongest points. I would be very unwilling to sacrifice that just to conform to an entirely arbitrary size that only is in fashion because back in some forgotten age, it was faster to blit things that are powers of two in size.

Ailure: I don't know, but using the vertical-align:middle setting it had in 1.x actually makes them appear lower by several pixels (and thus -below- the text) for me in both Firefox and Chrome...

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Posted on 08-17-10 01:57 AM Link | Quote | ID: 134509

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Also, looking at the Avatar/Minipic thing in editprofile, I think about something: for example, you can choose to upload another avatar and it will overwrite the old one, but what if you don't want an avatar anymore? As there is no apparent way to remove it, you're stuck with it. Same goes for minipics apparently.

Just pointing out.

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Posted on 08-17-10 02:03 AM Link | Quote | ID: 134511


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It's hard enough seeing anything in a 16x16 image, let alone 11x11.

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Posted on 08-17-10 02:09 AM Link | Quote | ID: 134513


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Minipics are not the place if you want to share vocaloid porn with the masses anyway. If you don't think you can fit something in minipics, don't use them.

Added erasing for both minipics and avatars.

Allowed GIFs.

Enough of this. Going to sleep.

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Posted on 08-17-10 08:59 AM Link | Quote | ID: 134523


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> implying 16x16 minipics distracts from actual posts
> implying that there's something wrong with being able to use a standardized size

I'd understand if minipics were displayed next to every instance of your username. But no, it's only on the front page. So how does that distract from the content?

I really don't see what's wrong with it. Looks fine on Jul, they actually have a lot of UI related things right. A lot of things that I think could be useful here.

In fact, I miss several "pointless UI elements" that made Acmlmboard an Acmlmboard. Such as when celebration time meant rainbow colored usernames. Or when you could see what users were browsing particular forums or even threads specifically. Or, you could edit aspects of the UI in your profile instead of having to equip items from the itemshop. These are the kinds of things that make the board fun to be a part of, instead of stumbling around with what we currently have or don't have.

My support of 16x16 minipics also implies my acceptance of the responsibility to nuke shitty ones. I think both 11x11 and 16x16 should at least be supported somehow... like custom titles being supported for users above a certain postcount.

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Posted on 08-17-10 10:44 AM Link | Quote | ID: 134526


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> standardized size
Please show me the RFC for minipics.

Rainbow colored usernames aren't really much of a UI element. They'd also be trivial to implement. It's just that nobody requested anything like that yet.

The problem with larger minipics is that they would stretch the page header beyond the size it needs to be. Sure, it seems like a tiny and insignificant thing to argue about, but in the end, it's just a long string of those tiny and insignificant changes that each could easily be defended with a "why not" or "other somethings do it that way" that separate us from the utter annoyance that is your average larger-scale forum system these days. I fight such changes on principle because I see nothing to gain from larger minipics ("People could fit more on them!" might as well be used to argue for 400x400 avatars) and a lot to lose in the long term if such argumentation is accepted as valid for a particular change.

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Posted on 08-17-10 11:00 AM Link | Quote | ID: 134528


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Is the "online users" bar really only 11px tall? If so, well, I guess that makes sense. If not, then nothing is being stretched, so...

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Posted on 08-17-10 11:15 AM Link | Quote | ID: 134529


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Its contents area seems to be 13 or 14 pixels tall at my font size setting. I suppose we could go up to that.

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13x13? Never seen that size for minipics in an Acmlmboard. But well, it is good enough to me.

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Posted on 08-17-10 05:32 PM (rev. 2 of 08-17-10 05:34 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 134535


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With all that talk about 16x16 minipics working just fine on Jul, I'd like to throw in ABXD.

As for "RFCs on minipics", try the common icon formats. Just about every relatively sane OS I've seen had at least 16x16 and 32x32 icons. Favicons too, even if not necessarily .ico, are 16x16. So why not minipics?

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Those are mostly relics from an age when blitters were better at dealing with power-of-two metrics for whatever reason. There is no good reason for anyone to use program icons from some OS as minipics, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter to modern browsers' blitters at all. Therefore, there is no good reason for doing 16x16.

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And yet, browser's favicons are still 16x16, and can be saved in most all of the common web image formats.

Bonus fun fact: .ico files can be any size too, including 11x11.

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Posted by blackhole89
The problem with larger minipics is that they would stretch the page header beyond the size it needs to be.

So, you're talking an extra five pixels tall/wide. Per line. I've never seen that area taller than two lines tall, on a normal resolution. I mean, holy shit, is it really that bad? 135 more pixels?
Posted by blackhole89
Sure, it seems like a tiny and insignificant thing to argue about, but in the end, it's just a long string of those tiny and insignificant changes that each could easily be defended with a "why not" or "other somethings do it that way" that separate us from the utter annoyance that is your average larger-scale forum system these days.

I'm not asking you to implement captchas or flawed search methods, or ads in the middles of posts.

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I fight such changes on principle because I see nothing to gain from larger minipics ("People could fit more on them!" might as well be used to argue for 400x400 avatars) and a lot to lose in the long term if such argumentation is accepted as valid for a particular change.
So, I must ask, what did you see to gain from minipics at all? They're pointless. But I like them. Also, you're comparing apples to oranges. the maximum impact from the change asked for is an extra 5px tall/wide in the page header only. You're comparing it to an extra 220x220 in the sidebar of every post who has 400x400 avatars, completely screwing up readability in such a drastic way you almost couldn't think about the comparison without your head blowing up into camel shit.

I argue the fact that you can fit more in them because you can't do shit with 121 pixels. Makes minipics pointless and more people would use the feature if they had more room to work with. 256 pixels is a standard. Far easier to make stuff and use available space. I mean, what good is a parking lot at a stadium if the spaces are all for motorcycles?

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I do hope this fight over minipic sizes will not lead in another split

In any case, I agree with KP on that 11x11 is a fucking tiny size and 16x16 makes it easier to make a decent icon.

Now, look at Neritic Net and ABXD/NikoBoard (links in my sig), they both support 16x16 minipics, and seeing how it doesn't wreck their UIs, I'd say they did it right. You might just want to look at how they did and do the same

Not like I do really care as I don't use minipics. Just giving my opinion.

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Posted on 08-18-10 12:37 AM Link | Quote | ID: 134541


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Neither Neritic nor ABXD are really arguments for anything. Last I checked, Neritic's UI, at least, was a jumble of pointless and CPU-consuming gimmicks.

I told you so before, but before you claim anything is a standard, I demand a chapter-and-verse citation of the somewhat widely accepted standards series that defines it as one. Otherwise, I might as well just introduce 256x239 pixel minipics because it's a standard. Or perhaps 8x8.

People used 11x11 minipics for years on 1.x and nobody died from it. If you don't like it, just don't use it.

To come back to your parking lot example, it surely is better than no parking lot at all for motorcyclist. If you want to argue for car parking, you have to make a coherent argument for us actually having drivers and parking opportunities for them being a sensible investment in that patricular location.

If 11x11 or 13x13 minipics are really that bad (and from the amount of ruckus they cause, one might really be inclined to conclude they seem to be worse than no minipics at all), I'll happily just wipe them back into nonexistence.

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Posted on 08-18-10 07:20 AM Link | Quote | ID: 134546


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You analyze shit too much.

13x13 it is.

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