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| Main - Gaming - This took me over... Eh, 6 years or so to figure out. | New thread | New reply |
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 Panser Level: 42 Posts: 56/345 EXP: 507856 Next: 13506 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 5995 days Last view: 5669 days |
Yes, someone should make a story behind Super Mario Bros. There is a plot. It is just not quite clear.
What about Mario vs. DK? Where does that take place? The real world or the mushroom kingdom/world? Seems more like the real than MK/W. |
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 Red Cheep-cheep Level: 34 Posts: 119/216 EXP: 251556 Next: 2095 Since: 02-21-07 Last post: 6126 days Last view: 6103 days |
Trying to piece together Mario's history in a form of "canon" is like trying to relate all the Zelda games together.. It just isn't a good idea to try, it'll only hurt your head and possibly cause some permanent brain damage in the process.. It's better to just accept them at face value, not try and look deeply into them beyond that.. |
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 Morton Koopa Feel the pain of those inferior beings...as you burn in hell! Level: 98 Posts: 209/2410 EXP: 9376672 Next: 277681 Since: 02-19-07 From: Sweden Last post: 4520 days Last view: 4501 days |
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Panser Level: 42 Posts: 57/345 EXP: 507856 Next: 13506 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 5995 days Last view: 5669 days |
Posted by Krisan Thyme I disagree. I believe it is possible because I have it in my head right now. But portraying it in words is another story. EDIT: The only part really throwing me off now is Mario's relation to Wario since they knew each other as kids. Could Wario be from NY as well? Or did Mario know him before leaving the Mushroom World? |
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Red Cheep-cheep Level: 34 Posts: 120/216 EXP: 251556 Next: 2095 Since: 02-21-07 Last post: 6126 days Last view: 6103 days |
How much of it (it being what you've said you figured out in your head) did you pull from outside the games? Remember that the people who wrote the script for the movie had nothing to do with the game's "plot" at all, they pretty much had the liberty to do whatever, and there is a sizable amount of inconsistencies with that movie and the games themselves.. the TV show is probably closer than anything to accuracy (which had its own inconsistencies), but still not something I'd consider part of the "canon" or as I believe, lack there of.
Honestly, I love Mario and all, but after all these games he has had.. if the history behind him doesn't make any sense still then.. probably best to accept that it wasn't meant to be taken beyond the face value of each game. Mario isn't something I'd consider complex or deep by any means anyway, so if you have to really think of how to explain his background, and use some assumptions or jump to some conclusions, or use references from things like the Movie (which had a whole other set of writers\designers) then.. eh, you're thinking too much about it. I'm a writer, I like making things complex and making people think.. I look at Mario though and see no reason to think, he wasn't made for that.. he wasn't made to have any solid history at all really. (Well maybe originally he had some form of vague plot.. but by no means is any shred of it valid today.) I guess in short: If such a simplistic character doesn't have an obvious timeline\history\plot by now, it doesn't exist. |
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Morton Koopa Feel the pain of those inferior beings...as you burn in hell! Level: 98 Posts: 210/2410 EXP: 9376672 Next: 277681 Since: 02-19-07 From: Sweden Last post: 4520 days Last view: 4501 days |
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 Mole Level: 42 Posts: 164/351 EXP: 521165 Next: 197 Since: 02-19-07 From: Massachusetts Last post: 5970 days Last view: 5407 days |
Posted by Sgraff87DK rapes the timeline. He rapes it anally with his big, monkey phalus and makes it cry. It was originally that he was released back in to the jungle, more than likely of the real world...but now we see him in games that take place in the Mushroom Kingdom (mostly spinoffs), yet he is frong Kongo Island which is what every DK game despite contradicting their own sdjkgjksdgjsd timelines states. So is Kongo Island in the mushroom kingdom or the real world? How...or for that matter, why, can the original DK's grandson traverse between dimensions? And why should we care? The rest of the Mario timeline should stand, though as long as DK remains as a gimmicky spinoff character and series, its timeline should REALLY not be taken in to consideration for these things (as the more spinoffs he appears in, the more room there is to completely and analy rape his timeline further) |
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 Beezo Level: 49 Posts: 44/477 EXP: 825661 Next: 58222 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 5888 days Last view: 5869 days |
I have to say this, since I'm playing this game recently...
Undeniable proof the Mario timeline is impossible to get together ____________________ |
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Panser Level: 42 Posts: 58/345 EXP: 507856 Next: 13506 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 5995 days Last view: 5669 days |
Posted by Tatrion That is speaking if all of the mario games belong in the storyline. I do not think many of them work such as Mario is Missing. Also, I believe the "real world" is not entirely the real world that we live in either. |
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Red Cheep-cheep Level: 34 Posts: 121/216 EXP: 251556 Next: 2095 Since: 02-21-07 Last post: 6126 days Last view: 6103 days |
And how exactly do you find the line between those that "belong in the story" and those that don't? You were saying you wondered out DK vs Mario fit in, but how is that any less a spin-off from Mario is Missing? (Or Mario's Time Machine for that matter.. har that was an interesting game.) And how do you define anything about the "real world" aspect without making a bunch of guesses, really?
Eh, like I said, if such a simple character requires you to piece together a jigsaw puzzle to figure anything coherent out from the supposed timeline then.. well, you're probably just looking too deeply into what really doesn't exist. |
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Panser Level: 42 Posts: 59/345 EXP: 507856 Next: 13506 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 5995 days Last view: 5669 days |
Posted by Krisan Thyme Guessing is the best way to describe how. If there is a story that can be made, then it will require that who does not fit to be eliminated. I am not saying there is a story. I am saying a story can be made. |
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Mole Level: 42 Posts: 165/351 EXP: 521165 Next: 197 Since: 02-19-07 From: Massachusetts Last post: 5970 days Last view: 5407 days |
No no and no ;x the current DK is DK Jr's son, as Cranky is always referred to as his grandfather. DK Jr. is never seen in adult form. |
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Red Cheep-cheep Level: 34 Posts: 122/216 EXP: 251556 Next: 2095 Since: 02-21-07 Last post: 6126 days Last view: 6103 days |
Posted by Sgraff87Posted by Krisan Thyme I don't mean to spoil fun either, I'm just saying it doesn't seem too likely it can be figured out without a stretch of the imagination..  |
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Panser Level: 42 Posts: 60/345 EXP: 507856 Next: 13506 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 5995 days Last view: 5669 days |
Posted by Doritokiller Well this is just my imagination but perhaps the idea that the time in the mushroom world passes longer than the real world. That the idea that Mario can stay there for a few years and the real world passes much faster. But that is a bit crazy. |
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 Koopa Level: 25 Posts: 13/104 EXP: 84059 Next: 5561 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 6043 days Last view: 6024 days |
Of course the Mario canon has tons of inconsistencies! It isn't even supposed to make sense. Any canon you can come up with that even partially makes sense has to be based on at least 50% imagination. But the point it, that's the fun!  I'm not saying every little thing has to flow together perfectly or even that all of the games have to fit into a consistent time line or even the same time line. Or that if you want a back story you have to obsess over every little detail trying desperately to have the plot make sense. It's not supposed to make sense. That's not the point. It's just that at least with most of the earlier games, there is enough of a flow between them to where you can get your own little back story if you want it.
I like giving the Mario games a back story and having them have a somewhat flow. I think it makes the games more fun. But the fun thing with the Mario games is that they are so up in the air that the back story can easily differ from person to person, and you are more or less free to make up your own based around what they have in common. For instance my full version of the Mario back story canon in my head is probably pretty different from other peoples versions simply based on which games I choose to incorporate. For one thing, most people hated the Mario movie and prefer not to link it to the games at all which is understandable. But personally, i liked the movie for what it was and I like involving it in the canon no matter how little it actually had to do with the games from a practical stand point. After all, practicality and logic have very little to do with Mario canon. Its not about how everything is supposed to work, because it isn't supposed to work at all. Its about which things do you want to work together and think flow nicely. It all depends on what thing you like, what games you bother to take into account, what time line you want to follow, what you've gathered from outside information, and how imaginative you are with the whole thing. In short, Mario back story is more personal opinion that fact, and that's what fun about it. I usually think of it in terms that the main games (even then I guess that would depend on how I define "main" games) are the ones that are actually part of the canon and are continuing parts of a story, while side games such as Super Mario Kart or Mario Party, are just that, side games that aren't really part of the overall time line, just based off of it. I also view the Donkey Kong time line as wholly separate from the Mario one for the most part, though I could probably get them to sort of flow if I wanted to and thought about it a little bit. I just never bothered. All in all, thinking up a back story for the games is mainly a natural thing for me that I think about a little more in depth from time to time for FUN. And if I had played any of the Zelda games (which I really should do) I'm sure I'd do the same thing with them. The only time I ever tend to really sit down and think about the details of the canon is either when the mood strikes me for some reason, or when I try to write something like this and put it into words. But I never expect it to make sense, its not supposed to. Usually trying to put something into words forces you to think about it more logically, and logic and Mario canon aren't really supposed to fit. I guess it just something you either get or you don't. As for Wario, I never really thought about his placement into everything much. But I've always seen him as Mario's half-brother. I'm not sure I've even played a game or read anything concerning his origin so I have no basis as to whether he's from Brooklyn or Mushroom Kingdom or wherever. I don't think neither he nor the Mario bros have any actual blood link to Waluigi however. He just strikes me as this random villain with identity issues, who eventually met up with Wario, found out they had a lot in common, and thus they quickly became best friends. Damn, when I get on a topic I tend to ramble. I'm like this with e-mail too. My poor friends lol. |
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Panser Level: 42 Posts: 61/345 EXP: 507856 Next: 13506 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 5995 days Last view: 5669 days |
Posted by blacknemesis13 http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6553/page97cb8.gif http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/8231/page98qt4.gif http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5237/page99tn0.gif http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8761/page106zn6.gif From that I come to the conclusion that the two are in the Mushroom World as children. But the two also play cowboys which from what I have seen, have not shown up in the Mushroom World. But this is also from Super Mario Adventures and it is not like the artist/writers created the series. Also as a double hitter, Mario mentions it was around 20 years since he and Wario played as children. So I would imagine Mario is around 25 years of age. |
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 Buzzy Beetle Level: 44 Posts: 101/375 EXP: 575552 Next: 35733 Since: 02-19-07 From: [citation needed] Last post: 6092 days Last view: 6092 days |
Mario and Luigi are plumbers.
Bowser is an evil villain who likes to kidnap Princess Toadstool and take over the Mushroom Kingdom. It is always up to the Mario Bros. to rescue the Princess, because they are the heroes. Anything else is just fluff added for entertainment value. ____________________ [citation needed] |
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