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Doritokiller
Posted on 03-10-07 11:06 PM Link | Quote | ID: 13532


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WindWkr414: I just realized why the world in SMB2 USA is called Subcon
WindWkr414: since Mario's dreaming, it's his subconscious
WindWkr414: this took me years to figure out
WindWkr414: in my subconscious

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Katelyn
Posted on 03-10-07 11:10 PM Link | Quote | ID: 13533

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Old'd.

I've known this for a long time

Doritokiller
Posted on 03-10-07 11:15 PM Link | Quote | ID: 13536


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Posted by Nyletak
Old'd.

I've known this for a long time

Yeah. And I didn't know this for years.

Man, I'm really slow when it comes to puns.

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Krisan Thyme
Posted on 03-10-07 11:22 PM Link | Quote | ID: 13540


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To be honest, I never noticed this either until I read this post just now.. But all the same, I never questioned it or thought about it either. The name just never struck me as anything peculiar so I just never connected two and two..

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I wonder what finally made you figure it out.

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Doritokiller
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Posted by Xkeeper
I wonder what finally made you figure it out.
I was reading your Dream log. Well, skimming. I was wondering why you called your Dream log "Subcon"... I tend to figure out these kinds of things when I don't think that much and let my mind wander.

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Sgraff87
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How about this? How come shyguys are from Mario's dream, yet they show up in later games?
Unless Mario knew about them before his dream.

Doritokiller
Posted on 03-10-07 11:36 PM (rev. 2 of 03-10-07 11:44 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 13551


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Posted by Sgraff87
How about this? How come shyguys are from Mario's dream, yet they show up in later games?
Unless Mario knew about them before his dream.

That's just about as unanswerable as "Why doesn't Peach try getting armed with something to avoid getting kidnapped?". It's just too absurd to comprehend.

... Nevermind. I forgot about Yoshi's Island.

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Nicole
Posted on 03-10-07 11:40 PM (rev. 2 of 03-10-07 11:40 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 13552


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Posted by Sgraff87
How about this? How come shyguys are from Mario's dream, yet they show up in later games?
Unless Mario knew about them before his dream.
Easy. He subconsciously remembered them from his childhood adventure on Yoshi's Island and so they ended up in his dream.

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Sgraff87
Posted on 03-10-07 11:57 PM (rev. 2 of 03-10-07 11:57 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 13565


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Another thing. I thought Mario was from New York in which both Mario and Luigi got sucked into a pipe bringing them to the Mushroom Kingdom. Also he fought against Donkey Kong at this time as well. This is where Yoshi's Island confused me. Also at that time, he would have had infancy amnesia.

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Posted by Sgraff87
I thought Mario was from New York
Okay, just stop there. I think we can safely say that Mario's past prior to SMB1 is entirely made up and completely bullshit.

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Sgraff87
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Posted by Xkeeper
Posted by Sgraff87
I thought Mario was from New York
Okay, just stop there. I think we can safely say that Mario's past prior to SMB1 is entirely made up and completely bullshit.

Quite frankly. I liked the idea that Mario was not from the Mushroom Kingdom.

Also, why does Mario use hammers for weapons and not plungers and wrenches like a plumber should?

Krisan Thyme
Posted on 03-11-07 12:03 AM (rev. 2 of 03-11-07 12:04 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 13570


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I have to second that motion, X.. Mario has no history, he's just a mascot who gets thrown into a bunch of random nonsensical and unrelated plotlines. (And I use the term plotlines very, very loosely..)

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Posted by Xkeeper
Okay, just stop there. I think we can safely say that Mario's past prior to SMB1 is entirely made up and completely bullshit.

Mario obviously has a Brooklyn accent in later games. It's just so damn obvious.

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There are many possible explanations for where Mario comes from.

I just really, really dislike the "fat plumber in Brooklyn" one. (That, and there is no spoo-- I mean, uh, no official one)

'sides, Yoshi's Island took up where Mario came from. Storks!

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Kles
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I never even knew that it was called "Subcon."

Well!

Sgraff87
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This was always what I believed the story was behind SMB.

-Mario's fights Donkey Kong to save his girlfriend.
-Mario and Luigi take DK back. DK Jr. frees DK from his cage.
-Mario and Luigi goes into the sewers under Brooklyn to fix the pipes and find strange creatures start to come from the pipes. They both fight them off.
-Mario and Luigi are sucked into a pipe by magic and find themselves in the Mushroom Kingdom.
-Mario and Luigi hear about the plight about Princess Toadstool and go out to rescue her.
-The brothers stay in this world either because of their own decision or because they cannot return back to NY.
-Mario dreams of the Subcon.
-Bowser and his 7 children take over the kingdoms of the Mushroom World. Mario and Luigi stop him.

After the NES series, things get fuzzy storywise.

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Posted by Kles
I never even knew that it was called "Subcon."

Well!
The creatures you rescue at the end are called "Subcon" too (watch the credits)

Of course, this information is of potentially crappy merit. Consider that Birdo is aparrently Ostro and vice-versa, for example.

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Ailure
Posted on 03-11-07 01:40 AM Link | Quote | ID: 13600

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Well, I guess that someone were up late at night, and had names but not which ones where which and only had two slots left. D: Ostro looks like a ostrich, which is a type of big bird after all.

Sgraff87: Someone extended on that story and involved Yoshi Island into the mix. D:

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blacknemesis13
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You know, the only thing Yoshi's Island really says about their origin is that they were both BORN in Mushroom Kingdom, not that they had to grow up there. So if you really wanted to try and piece the non-existent plot together just for kicks like I like to do, I've always thought of it this way.

Mario and Luigi were both born in mushroom kingdom and all of Yoshi's Island takes place. However, due to the prophecy about the two, not to mention all of the drama that just took place surrounding it, its apparent that if they stay in mushroom kingdom while they are young and vulnerable that their lives are in danger. So its decided by the yoshis, Mario and Luigi's parents, (and possibly other members of the mushroom kingdom but who knows), that the best thing to do is to transport them to our world where they will be safe, until the time comes when they are needed in Mushroom Kingdom.

Hmm, this sounds a lot like the Mario movie plot with Daisy actually. Smuggling them over to the other side. All the more reason for me to like it. I actually like to consider the movie as part of the Mario canon as well, though in its own bizarre way. Not like the rest of the game canon makes any more sense anyway.

Anyway, so they are transported to our world, but why Brooklyn specifically? I like to believe that Mario and Luigi's Mushroom Kingdom parents are actually originally from Brooklyn as well and got transported to mushroom kingdom at some point in their lives. They were happy, settled down, and eventually gave birth to our heroes. So when it became apparent that they would need to go back to our world to protect their children, why not choose where they were originally from? Either that, or as the movie sort of suggests, if Mushroom kingdom is sort of a parallel universe to our own, then that paticular part of Mushroom Kingdom just happens to occupy the same space as Brooklyn. Personally I'd say both.

With all of that in mind then it would seem to make more sense that there is a portal between the two worlds that is open and one can traverse at will. However, if so, then either Bowser doesn't know about it or more likely, there is something that makes it impossible for Bowser to use it. Perhaps we can still go by the whole "the princess is the only one who can make a portal between the two dimensions" thing, as it seems that only the good guys have been able to go back and forth between Brooklyn and Mushroom Kingdom. And Bowser has never contemplated taking over our world except if you count the movie. Hmm, wait a minute, then we have to consider Mario Is Missing. Okay, maybe not Impossible for Bowser, but difficult? Ah well, thats just a part of my little theory.
Posted by Sgraff87
-Mario's fights Donkey Kong to save his girlfriend.
-Mario and Luigi take DK back. DK Jr. frees DK from his cage.
-Mario and Luigi goes into the sewers under Brooklyn to fix the pipes and find strange creatures start to come from the pipes. They both fight them off.
-Mario and Luigi are sucked into a pipe by magic and find themselves in the Mushroom Kingdom.
-Mario and Luigi hear about the plight about Princess Toadstool and go out to rescue her.
-The brothers stay in this world either because of their own decision or because they cannot return back to NY.
-Mario dreams of the Subcon.
-Bowser and his 7 children take over the kingdoms of the Mushroom World. Mario and Luigi stop him.
The rest of this still stands. I think the Mario canon somewhat flows together (assuming of course that you think of it pretty imaginatively) until about Mario 64, then just about everything really is just completely random. Either that or I just don't care beyond that point to bother trying having any of it make sense.

Phew, that's my longest post to date!
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