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Level: 105 Posts: 810/2846 EXP: 12033425 Next: 228835 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 6065 days Last view: 2802 days |
No, I saw it... it's a complete rewrite that sucks resources like a whore. (9+ MB to render one page! Hell, the old board used 2!)...
A lot of it was just ||bass playing the "clean up the forum's HTML" game and coding the board based on his copies of the output  ____________________ I dealt with it. |
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 Flurry Level: 37 Posts: 118/251 EXP: 315172 Next: 23081 Since: 02-19-07 From: Mirabel, Québec, Canada Last post: 6185 days Last view: 1818 days |
Flurry #&postrank& You can even tell from the default scheme being a copy of Daily Cycle frozen in time (around 11:00 PM), and the (broken) ACS page containing "Currently viewing 10-27-06" ... or even better:
Valid HTML, you say? And what about this I'd check the RAM usage here to compare with ||board's constant 6MB, but the function doesn't even exist in my local copy of PHP (it wasn't built in until PHP 5.2.1 (just recently) unless it was compiled with some directive for that)____________________ |
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Flurry Level: 37 Posts: 119/251 EXP: 315172 Next: 23081 Since: 02-19-07 From: Mirabel, Québec, Canada Last post: 6185 days Last view: 1818 days |
Flurry #&postrank& Everything else on board (that I checked) does validate, I'm just guessing he didn't bother for the ACS page yet (and a lot of those validation errors come from PHP errors) ... still, there were some in thread pages and apparently he wanted to force all posts to be valid HTML too 
Of course, this board doesn't validate at all either, but it's not exactly meant to (almost 100 errors for the main page in HTML 4.01 Transitional)____________________ |
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 Red Paratroopa Level: 30 Posts: 10/162 EXP: 163211 Next: 2658 Since: 03-07-07 From: Chicago Last post: 3524 days Last view: 1618 days |
You want Valid? Use Punbb. The most ridiculously valid XHTML code I've ever seen emitted by a message board script. It even messes up if you edit the .php files to emit a <br> tag. Needs to be a <br /> tag, or else it won't display the linebreak.
I use it on my forum. Nobody posts there, it's so lonely... ____________________ |
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Level: 105 Posts: 882/2846 EXP: 12033425 Next: 228835 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 6065 days Last view: 2802 days |
I never really got the whole idea behind "valid" code; a lot of the times, only invalid code is rendered properly. (The irony...)
Even between Opera and Firefox and IE, the same page (W3C valid, lol) was rendered differently in all three, and entirely wrong in Firefox. Besides, often standards lead to large inclusions of byte-wasters (no one needs an "alt=''", thanks) or other silly tags ( " />"? Why not just make them self close like in HTML4.01? duhrrhgh) ____________________ I dealt with it. |
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 Paragoomba Level: 20 Posts: 37/65 EXP: 41526 Next: 913 Since: 02-21-07 From: Puerto Rico Last post: 6226 days Last view: 6226 days |
I see the ACS there is now valid HTML.
I was doing the same thing to my board and well, I gave up with the threads page v_v. My board uses 580KB of memory in the index  . |
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Gone Level: 88 Posts: 690/1881 EXP: 6464976 Next: 185688 Since: 02-20-07 Last post: 6152 days Last view: 6142 days |
I hate the "valid" HTML obsession as well. Once upon a time, <br> was perfectly OK, and now they've decided that you need a useless slash. The worst part is when they remove really useful tage like <font> and <s> in favour of using CSS for everything. CSS should be used to dictate the overall look of a site, but for changing the font of one line of text in a large website, or using strikethrough for a few words, or in message board posts or other situations where many users add to the same page, nothing beats the old-style tags. And if you want to use nothing but old-style HTML with no CSS, there should be nothing stopping you. |
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 Paratroopa Level: 30 Posts: 2/152 EXP: 148161 Next: 17708 Since: 03-21-07 From: Vermont, USA Last post: 6011 days Last view: 6009 days |
You know, it has to be things like this that happen whenever I disappear for more than a month...  It's not actually a big deal for me. I think it's just that I've always been a major lurker (anyone remember me? Anyone? ) and I never got far in the first place without starting over.
Still, despite the fact that the split was more or less a Bad Thing (tm), I can't help but like the title the wiki has for it: "The Faction Split of 2007". It just... sounds so formal, or official or something. Nevermind, I'm just kinda rambling now...  ____________________ What sig? I don't have a sig. |
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Level: 75 Posts: 699/1301 EXP: 3719034 Next: 107870 Since: 02-19-07 From: Canada |
The issue is that many coders are mega nerds, and mega nerds tend to obsess over details. |
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 Red Cheep-cheep Level: 35 Posts: 24/220 EXP: 258608 Next: 21328 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 5427 days Last view: 5426 days |
Posted by Xkeeper alt gives blind users the ability to realize what the image is... I know a lot of people don't use alt properly... and just put random stuff there to validate, but you're supposed to describe the image for the very reason that people that cannot see the image or people using text-based browsers get some information on what is there. ____________________  |
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Flurry Level: 37 Posts: 151/251 EXP: 315172 Next: 23081 Since: 02-19-07 From: Mirabel, Québec, Canada Last post: 6185 days Last view: 1818 days |
Flurry #&postrank& He meant the alt attribute being required even if you don't use it, like < Like CSS, it's nice and useful but it feels like a waste to use it for simple things like underlining a word liek omg <If my example is even "valid" HTML  ____________________ |
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Red Cheep-cheep Level: 35 Posts: 25/220 EXP: 258608 Next: 21328 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 5427 days Last view: 5426 days |
Yeah, I know, but they should be used with all image tags so blind people know what the image is. ____________________ |
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Gone Level: 88 Posts: 895/1881 EXP: 6464976 Next: 185688 Since: 02-20-07 Last post: 6152 days Last view: 6142 days |
But he's talking specifically about empty alt attributes; i.e., those with no text given, just alt="" with nothing between the quotes. I don't think "" will be too much help to a blind person.
I think there are some images that don't need the alt tags at all though, like, I don't know, a "bullet" image or something, or a decorative horizontal line used instead of <hr>, etc. |
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Level: 105 Posts: 971/2846 EXP: 12033425 Next: 228835 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 6065 days Last view: 2802 days |
Posted by Black LordI have no problem with "alt".Posted by Xkeeper I have a problem with requiring it for all images, when oftentimes it serves no use; I often use small spacer images to force the right width for things (because everyone knows how reliable FisherPrice Web Bullshit is), and it's just an extra useless mess to remember. And Acmlm, it'd probably be < ____________________ I dealt with it. |
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Level: 48 Posts: 139/458 EXP: 776832 Next: 46711 Since: 02-19-07 From: The Void Last post: 3035 days Last view: 3035 days |
Death to validation!
*Flails about his horribly invalid HTML 2.0 code which is merged with random CSS and <table> tags everywhere ahahahahaha* |
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Newcomer Level: 4 Posts: 1/2 EXP: 223 Next: 56 Since: 04-06-07 Last post: 6233 days Last view: 6233 days |
The break between GSCentral.org members and its useless members was quite similar to this situation.
I assumed that we are still on excellent terms and have linked back to this website. That should help bring up your hits. All the best! |
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Level: 105 Posts: 1237/2846 EXP: 12033425 Next: 228835 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 6065 days Last view: 2802 days |
Posted by Rune@GSCI'll talk to Acmlm about adding a link back to you somewhere. I have no problem with it myself ____________________ I dealt with it. |
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... Level: 73 Posts: 253/1220 EXP: 3368244 Next: 117624 Since: 03-25-07 From: no Last post: 6096 days Last view: 6080 days |
Would this be because you linked to Acmlm.org as a "partner" without their knowledge, and they blocked referrers from gscentral.org? Tell me, what relation does your "community" of wannabe hackers and DRMed-to-uselessness code database have to this ROM hacking forum? ROM hacking and code hacking are two very different things. |
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Level: 105 Posts: 1252/2846 EXP: 12033425 Next: 228835 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 6065 days Last view: 2802 days |
Not really, the only difference is that one edits RAM, the other edits ROM
Bleh. ____________________ I dealt with it. |
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