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Lenina
Posted on 12-22-08 11:22 PM Link | Quote | ID: 97355


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Last view: 5577 days 		I'm not saying get rid of little kids entirely, like in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Although at times I think it is a good idea. I mean having all kids segregated to special areas, would be nice.
Most of the time, I feel it is the parents complete lack of consideration for the rest of the world that causes these problems. They have to be responsible for their children. they are the ones who decided to fuck and have a baby. Not me. So why should I have to sit in Panera while their little "Princess" stand up over the booth divider to scream at me. I am a paying customer. I should not have to sit while some high pitched brat keeps saying "Hi! look at me! Why aren't you looking at me!" Over and over again. While her parents sit there eating there food, pretending like nothing is happening.
I have a dog. When I take her out, if she starts barking and disturbing people. I do something by putting her back in the car. If I don't, the establishment will ask me to leave. Why can't they do that for kids? Everyone else pays to be somewhere with the expectation that general curtsies will be upheld.
I'm not saying that everything little kids do can be controlled. Like this lady and her son came to me while I was working cashier. Suddenly, out of nowhere, the boy says, "The baby inside my mommy's tummy died!" Little kids say whatever, that is fine.
Still, it's gotten to the point where my dog has more restraint than the kids. One time I did ask a lady if her kids could be quieter. She replied, "I have no control over it!." Really? Cause last time i checked you could tell them not to and punish them if they don't. What is she going to do when they do something more serious? Will she tell the police that i can't control them?
I need to rant cause I am sick of people not taking responsibility over their lives. Don't blame others or claim it can't be changed. Act!

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Posted on 12-22-08 11:42 PM Link | Quote | ID: 97357


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I blame this on a not-so-recent-anymore long-standing psychiatrical tradition of infusing parents with the idea that their children might grow up with self esteem problems (read: reflect over their actions) or, worse, one of those mysterious disorders called a childhood trauma if they are denied their will too much (which, for the blessed with less of a brain parents, translates to "ever" for simplicity's sake), together with scare stories of child abuse and what-not.

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Posted on 12-23-08 12:19 AM (rev. 2 of 07-16-09 07:07 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 97358


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Posted on 12-23-08 12:23 AM Link | Quote | ID: 97359


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Humph. The Chinese knew how to do parenting correctly.

Hieda no Akyu
Posted on 12-23-08 12:25 AM Link | Quote | ID: 97360


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Posted by Pigma
Humph. The Chinese knew how to do parenting correctly.

Yeah, they euthanize all those who don't behave.
Nah, I was joking, I'm Chinese in blood, but well... Americans FTW!

Lenina
Posted on 12-23-08 12:26 AM Link | Quote | ID: 97361


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Last view: 5577 days 		I did not say lock them in a box. Simply, they need to be considerate of other people.
Like fine the parents $100 or whatever for disturbing the peace when their kids starts heckling another patron of an establishment. We'd do it to adults, why not kids.

Hieda no Akyu
Posted on 12-23-08 12:27 AM (rev. 2 of 12-23-08 12:27 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 97362


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Last view: 5336 days 		And you're going to force them to be more considerate how?
All that'll do is make the parents distressed, and grumpy.

Lenina
Posted on 12-23-08 12:32 AM Link | Quote | ID: 97363


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Last view: 5577 days 		that should be incentive for the parents to control their kids better. The parents will try harder.

Hieda no Akyu
Posted on 12-23-08 12:35 AM Link | Quote | ID: 97365


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Last view: 5336 days 		Yeah, and then what? It's obvious you don't know what it feels like to be stuck with a strict as hell parent, don't you. Also, that fine's going to cause chaos. Parents being put in tight economic situations... Also, I assure you. That WILL be used maliciously to spite someone. I guarantee it.

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I had strict as hell parents until I showed them I was capable of taking care of myself and making my own decisions. As I see it, that's a good way to do things. Discipline their foolish actions until they can acknowledge that they are disruptive and begin making an effort to change. Then you can be sure they'll be fine without your supervision...

Oh, that and people need to not be afraid to hit their kids when they misbehave. I was spanked as a child and guess what? You don't do the same wrong thing twice that way. Anyone who tries to argue that the child is then kept quiet only by intimidation rather than respect, I'll agree with that statement, however let me add - intimidation is a good substitute when you're too ignorant to respect.

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Posted on 12-23-08 01:47 AM Link | Quote | ID: 97370


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Posted by Xeruss
Oh, that and people need to not be afraid to hit their kids when they misbehave. I was spanked as a child and guess what? You don't do the same wrong thing twice that way. Anyone who tries to argue that the child is then kept quiet only by intimidation rather than respect, I'll agree with that statement, however let me add - intimidation is a good substitute when you're too ignorant to respect.

And even with the far-fetched assumption that all parents are actually deserving of and/or evoking any kind of respect, respect is a concept beyond most five year olds to understand. While I certainly am not supportive of the old "beat the children into submission" education - at least until all other possible approaches at turning them into at least fulfilling a minimal standard of bearability members of society have failed - I can't see how the undeserved convenience of a kid can be justified at the price of the undeserved inconvenience of strangers.

Yeah, and then what? It's obvious you don't know what it feels like to be stuck with a strict as hell parent, don't you.

Since I'm not far enough away from your age yet to completely have lost sight of your perspective, I'll just quote Mark Twain and leave the rest up to your interpretation - "When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years. "

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Posted on 12-23-08 01:50 AM (rev. 2 of 12-23-08 01:55 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 97372


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Posted by blackhole89
And even with the far-fetched assumption that all parents are actually deserving of and/or evoking any kind of respect, respect is a concept beyond most five year olds to understand.

Hence you tide them over with intimidation til they realize they kind of owe you for even being alive.

I forgot how many people are selfish bastards, breeding like rabbits for their own ends... Disregard the "owe them for being alive", though I still believe that children should listen to their parents for whatever reasons.

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Posted on 12-23-08 02:00 AM (rev. 2 of 12-23-08 02:00 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 97373


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Posted by Xeruss
Oh, that and people need to not be afraid to hit their kids when they misbehave. I was spanked as a child and guess what? You don't do the same wrong thing twice that way. Anyone who tries to argue that the child is then kept quiet only by intimidation rather than respect, I'll agree with that statement, however let me add - intimidation is a good substitute when you're too ignorant to respect.
Man why am I not surprised of seeing a christian saying this?

pieguy1732
Posted on 12-23-08 02:23 AM Link | Quote | ID: 97377


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Posted by Lenina
*long post*

While you do have some valid points, the rest of that rant is ridiculous. There are times when parents DO just sit and do nothing when their kids are out of control. However, you act as if that's all that ever happens.

First of all, you assume that parents have complete control over every situation their kids are in. So what if they say "I have no control over it!"? Some kids don't respond to punishments or warnings. If a kid's parents can't do anything about the situation, why do you give a damn? Most of the time, it's a lot easier than one would think to just ignore something disruptive that someone is doing. It's one thing if someone is rolling on the floor of a restaurant, but something like someone talking over the divider can be ignored.

Second, a lot of these "disruptions" you're talking about can be ignored easily. Why do you care so much about little things like that? Everyone can be disruptive, so don't go around acting like kids have to be "perfect angels" to go out in public.

Third, that suggestion of yours is the most fucking biased thing ever. Why the hell should everyone put their kids away just because one person (you) finds them annoying? Just fucking ignore them if their parents can't do anything about it. The suggestion assumes that all kids are all bad and that nothing will be lost by seperating them from everyone else (as Hieda said, there are children here who are valuable contributers); it also assumes that kids are the only source of the problem. Age is just a number. People of all ages can be disruptive, so don't go around assuming that only kids have to be treated like that.

Last, places DO ask people to leave if their kids are completely out of control. For example, one person was arrested because their kids were complete chaos on an airplane. Don't go around thinking that kids are allowed to just do anything.

To sum it up: THE PROBLEM IS NOT KIDS BEING ANNOYING, IT IS YOUR INABILITY TO IGNORE SMALL PROBLEMS.

That is all I have to say.

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Posted on 12-23-08 02:33 AM Link | Quote | ID: 97378


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Posted by knuck
Man why am I not surprised of seeing a christian saying this?

Why am I not surprised to see knuck spreading seeds of religious inferiority yet again?

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Posted by Xeruss
Posted by knuck
Man why am I not surprised of seeing a christian saying this?

Why am I not surprised to see knuck spreading seeds of religious inferiority yet again?
That's easy; cuz you're a christian with inferiority complex:

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I've never claimed to be oppressed, nor have I ever tried to convert you or bring any morals more decidedly christian than human into any debate with you... I don't understand why you're so opposed to me over something as simple as religion.

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pieguy1732, the problem is that there are plenty of situations observable in everyday life where kids are being a massive annoyance to everyone not wearing 10 layers of pink goggles (think the typical fusses in the supermarket queue) and it's either clear parents could keep their kids under control if they only wanted or there is no reason for them not to just leave said kids at home if it can be expected they only will be annoying everyone. Honestly, such events seemed to be on the decline here in the past year, but then, this is Europe and not the country that is the earth's capital of bad parenting so I kind of expect it to be many more times frequent in your area.

On the other hand, yeah, the whole "lock all kids up", especially with the emphasis on "all", is going way too far.

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Posted on 12-23-08 04:04 AM Link | Quote | ID: 97389


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I'm going to side with Lenina here. Parents should control their kids better, at least in public. I really don't have any insightful points to put here.

Also, strikingly relevant bash.org quote.

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You don't have to read all of these links if you don't want to, the last four are the most important.

http://www.violentacres.com/archives/168/the-mentality-of-an-abused-child
http://www.violentacres.com/archives/327/the-new-definition-of-a-bastard-child
http://www.violentacres.com/archives/362/how-to-save-the-world-from-idiocracy
http://www.violentacres.com/archives/54/the-deadbeat-dad-myth
http://www.violentacres.com/archives/185/it-is-your-job-to-financially-provide-for-your-children
http://www.violentacres.com/archives/288/quick-and-easy-child-support-reform
http://www.violentacres.com/archives/201/the-biggest-tragedy-of-the-welfare-system
http://www.violentacres.com/archives/318/overheard-in-the-post-office
http://www.violentacres.com/archives/256/spongebob-squarepants-explains-the-nuclear-family-of-the-new-millennium
http://www.violentacres.com/archives/184/weddings-are-stupid
http://www.violentacres.com/archives/203/the-war-on-drugs-is-bullshit
http://www.violentacres.com/archives/62/early-christmas-for-the-ingrate
http://www.violentacres.com/archives/422/how-children-cope-with-failure
http://www.violentacres.com/archives/202/picture-perfect-parenting
http://www.violentacres.com/archives/337/how-to-train-your-children-to-behave-on-cue
http://www.violentacres.com/archives/338/training-children-part-2-effective-negative-reinforcement
http://www.violentacres.com/archives/341/training-children-part-3-reinforcing-good-behavior
http://www.violentacres.com/archives/232/out-of-control-children-are-safety-hazards-in-public-places

I am /such/ a whore.

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