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 Shyguy Level: 24 Posts: 48/95 EXP: 73384 Next: 4741 Since: 02-19-07 From: Florida Last post: 6112 days Last view: 6103 days |
Posted by Krisan Thyme Why are you warning me? I'm level 21 and have been in several parties. Obviously you didn't stick around quite long enough to understand how the game works; the reason why parties are so "strict" is because every time someone in the party messes up, someone dies. If you got an AoE(Area of Effect) spell, there is usually a rule in place against using it no matter how strong it is; the use of such usually hits nearby monsters, and causes them to aggro the group. This in effect leads to death pretty fast. Melee types always have to tank and provoke too, no matter what; if they don't, the healer can AND CERTAINLY WILL draw hate and get killed. Same goes for mages too. Red Mages have to deliver the debuffs and some buffs because they know nearly everything. Furthermore, FFXI has a social aspect to it that far outweighs WoW. In WoW, you can solo enemies until level 70 if you so wish. However, you miss out on all the teamwork involved. FFXI on the other hand requires parties, and thus you enter them. Every member usually has a particular role, especially in higher levels. You work together with your team to take down progressively stronger monsters. That's not all you have to do, either. There are normal Notorious Monsters to take down which often require a party, who essentially are bosses. They often have very good drops the party can benefit from having and selling... There are Burning Circles, which are timed boss fights with a level cap, which tests the teamwork of all party members... There are a myriad of things to do. And in the end, everything else you stated happens in every MMO in existence. Camping may be FFXI specific, but parties always must happen one particular way in any given MMO. In the case of FFXI, if you roam the entire world you'll get too much aggro, most likely aggro by monsters you can't handle at that level. One final thing: Just because the community hangs out in certain areas doesn't mean you HAVE to be there. There are at least two equal spots to the popular area for levelling, sometimes with better drops. All you have to do is find a group that wants a change of pace. Just as an example, my linkshell(who got me into FFXI in the first place) has been levelling with me in Ghelsba Outpost and Buburimu Peninsula, instead of Valkurm like everyone else. If you ever want to try FFXI again, tell me and I'll get you a world pass for Lakshmi(or not, seeings how you'll be able to pick servers yourself in a week or so) and see if my LS will give you a Linkpearl. ____________________  |
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 Red Paragoomba Level: 19 Posts: 5/54 EXP: 31450 Next: 4327 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 5934 days Last view: 5934 days |
Sonicand Guild Wars doesn't have additional costs, since levels only go to 20 (only have the original Prophecies (?) version so far), but you cannot interact with people outside of towns and the environments often are extremely dull, at least in the original game. I just don't see the point in acquiring the best equipment to have, when Blizzard decides to bring out the expansion (what usually is a good thing, since you don't want to play all the same instances, quests and such for eternity - even the biggest game has limits), then the level cap is raised and some new even more powerful items make your hard-farmed stuff much less worth - and the cycle begins again with every expansion. Well, I don't know how this "problem" was solved in older MMORPGs like Lineage I & II. And ... how did RO handle that - where there any expansions out for that oO ? Just my opinion. I don't say, WoW is generally a bad game, I just don't like it apart the graphics and interface - while it sounds more than interesting when you read about it. As for the time factor, I won't argue anything against you, since I cannot and I won't judge about that, S&F. |
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Done. Level: 79 Posts: 180/1471 EXP: 4471540 Next: 107927 Since: 02-19-07 From: ??? Last post: 6092 days Last view: 6084 days |
And I'd still rather play DDR.
Even on keyboard. |
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 Red Cheep-cheep Level: 34 Posts: 4/217 EXP: 253058 Next: 593 Since: 03-05-07 From: What do you mean with "fad is over"? Last post: 5333 days Last view: 5082 days |
My opinion on WoW is that the beggining is utterly slow and repetitive with maybe two useful skills to use over and over again.
And that was far to boring to be paying monthly for. But i have to agree that when I saw my friends playing instances and stuff it looked awesome. But I wont be paying to level so I can get to the fun parts. So in short if they just make the beginning more interresting they could have a winner. |
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 Flurry Level: 37 Posts: 81/251 EXP: 315175 Next: 23078 Since: 02-19-07 From: Mirabel, Québec, Canada Last post: 6185 days Last view: 1818 days |
Flurry #&postrank& The few online RPG's I tried start pretty easy, which helps getting addicted to the game by the time it gets slow and boring ... but even then, Maple Story with its early grinding only lasted 2 weeks for me 
Posted by SurlentNot exactly "expansions", but they still add things every once in a while ... mostly new maps, monsters and items, but sometimes new jobs too. They did expand the leveling once, by adding the whole rebirth system ... once you get to 99, you start over but stronger, and leveling back to 99 takes even longer 
But I only play on private servers (usually medium rates like 10-20x), so I don't know exactly how it's like on the real thing ____________________ |
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 Paragoomba Level: 22 Posts: 70/75 EXP: 51471 Next: 6879 Since: 02-21-07 From: RI Last post: 6055 days Last view: 6055 days |
I'm content with playing WCIII every once in a while when I'm bored. I don't think its worth it to pay once a month to play a video game. |
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Done. Level: 79 Posts: 183/1471 EXP: 4471540 Next: 107927 Since: 02-19-07 From: ??? Last post: 6092 days Last view: 6084 days |
All I know is back in the years that I played RO, it got kinda stale after the first ten hours.
Now when you went to absurd leveling serves of 500x on all then it got kinda interesting, especially if they defeated the end level cap and put it at 255. Course then your HP got absurd and having any kind of PvP was instant annihilation for the n00bs, especially when you're against a mage doing 2000 damage per hit of any attack that does 20000 usually period. I had the pleasure of warping in at the wrong time somewhere and didn't know there was something going on and got well...pwnt. All I could say was "owch?". |
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Paragoomba Level: 20 Posts: 55/65 EXP: 41532 Next: 907 Since: 02-19-07 From: Camrose, AB Last post: 6238 days Last view: 6123 days |
Posted by Xauna FFXI has a social aspect alright, it has to when you require a 6+ man party to do anything beyond tying your own shoes. I do agree WoW solo progression can be deathly boring before the endgame however. I wish there was a happy medium. Teamwork lol, every, EVERY single mob in that game is either a tank-and-spank routine (or tank and nuke if it's a HNM, can't have you melees triggering more of its special attacks than we need to) or purposely broken (Omega/Ultima, Absolute Virtue). That and the job imbalance is horrendous; 3 jobs that heal, 2.5 jobs that tank, 3 jobs that restore MP (1 of which buffs the entire party at the same time and thus blows the others out of the water), and a dozen others that hit things progressively better than each other. Things like these, and camping, and aggro, happen in every MMORPG, sure. FFXI just takes it to the nth degree. Level 21... I don't want to sound like an elitist, but you know nothing about this game. Nothing. I still play it, sure. Well, not really play. I've made so many friends over the past 2 and a half years that it's just a glorified IRC room to me now, just with more idiots yelling at each other in the background. |
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Shyguy Level: 24 Posts: 50/95 EXP: 73384 Next: 4741 Since: 02-19-07 From: Florida Last post: 6112 days Last view: 6103 days |
Posted by Caos Strange, because from what I have seen lots of strategy has to be put into certain fights. Especially into the Genkai(level cap+) boss battles. I guess it just depends on what you're doing. My linkshell's main static party(which doesn't include me) has different classes that do not reflect normal parties; there's a WHM and RDM, sure, but nobody really tanks and they are constantly taking on monsters MUCH higher than they should be. While the main levelling parties use the normal team setups, having a static party with abnormal classes can put an added level of strategy in everything. I know plenty about FFXI, even if I am "just" level 21. My friend has been explaining quite a lot of the later portions of the game to me, including just what kinds of strategies work and what strategies and with death. I have even wandered into where his party was just to hang out, and watched them take down some NMs. But, I guess me saying this will change nothing. Everyone is entitled to their opinions; although if you really disliked FFXI that much, I don't think you'd be spending $12-??? a month on it. Really now. If you're going to pay for it, you may as well find something good to say about it. ____________________ |
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Paragoomba Level: 20 Posts: 56/65 EXP: 41532 Next: 907 Since: 02-19-07 From: Camrose, AB Last post: 6238 days Last view: 6123 days |
I spend my time leveling lower jobs with friends now, something I didn't do on my first 'play-through', which makes anything more entertaining. It was initially irritating to spend months on my first job then get to the HNM levels to find out that there's an artificially low supply of them versus the linkshells that spring up every week that try to outclaim each other, on top of the fact that generally, additional melee being undesirable for most large-scale HNMs over magic dps. The drama is overwhelming and I try to stay as far away from that as possible - besides, I made enough money during my first HNMLS stint to pimp out my MNK for life. |
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Red Cheep-cheep Level: 34 Posts: 101/216 EXP: 251557 Next: 2094 Since: 02-21-07 Last post: 6126 days Last view: 6103 days |
Posted by Xauna I warned ya because I'm nice. And I stuck around for three and a half years, I know how the game plays. Got most jobs past 30, one in its mid 60's, and a couple in the 40's.. trust me, I'm not talking out of my ass. 
And secondly.. I wasn't defending WoW AT ALL here in case you thought that. I specifically said I found the game boring as hell. My point here was - you're not going to end up with much better a game here in the long run. I haven't met ANYONE who left XI on a positive note, everyone has left it bitter, including myself.. sure it starts out all fun and new, but that won't last long, and it'll get its hooks in deep before you realize the mess you're in and have the sense to try and leave. And yes, yes.. The strict deal I understand, I lived with it because, quite simply, the game mechanic was built moronically.. You should never be forced into a linear play design where you just stand around in a corner of a zone and repeat a rudimentary set of commands with the same tried and true party setup.. (Healer, Tank, etc etc.. Yea every MMO has that, but it was ridiculous how you couldn't get ANYWHERE without it.. at least in other games of the genre, you could do it, just not as efficiently) And yes, you don't have to follow the flow, you can go other places.. But god help you there, going against the flow of things is hell, since most people just laugh the idea of going to X off and think Y is ideal, or Z would do for a bit.. Finding a full party that wants to go somewhere outside of the norm leveling scheme is very difficult.. In those three and a half years, I found very few whom were willing to try it, usually people just left the party a short while afterwards even if they did initially agree to it. I didn't want to get in a debate about the game here, but I know it inside and out and it is one of the most HARSH games I have ever seen. You can't ever solo (Don't tell me you can, it is 110% impractical beyond level 10-ish except for BST.. which is hell of a difficult job let me tell you.. they make it look easy, but it is highly based on luck a lot of times, luck and patience.. no other class can solo at all though, "Too Weak" mobs can kill you EASILY in the higher levels - this is nonsense), you need a specific party setup to sustain a working group (there are variables in what "specific" means exactly, but many classes are left outside the loop in this, or are easily replaced with more "preferred" classes.. DRG and DRK are very, very good examples of this..), you can't EVER die unless you want to suffer a hell of an EXP hit (Raise returns EXP, yes, but it's not until endgame that it returns enough to matter.. and god help you if your healers are dead, you're just plain screwed then.), Missions start to scale up to ridiculous difficulty with the reward of maybe five minutes of story and.. nothing much else.. The economy is (well it was, I've heard it has improved considerably) shit, with good gear costing millions, and no real decent wqay to make your own money.. Synthing is a joke, you have to have the patience of a god for it, and even then you aren't going to make a profit more often than not.. (Yay for failures where you lose all your ridiculously expensive materials too.. I wouldn't be so iffed at that one either if it weren't so common with people that already had their synth skill maxed...) I could go on, and on, and on... Drone on for ages, but it isn't really worth it. You'll probably play it anyway, like so many others - like myself - ignore warnings, and get pissed at the game later on and realize that.. quite honestly, what I've said is true. I've seen people defend the game to the death, then take a total 360 after they've played it a few years.. it is easy to defend a game when it is still new and fresh, but once you get the full picture, you start to realize that things aren't quite as peachy keen as you once thought.
In any case, it was just a friendly warning, sorry if you took it the wrong way. I warn everyone of XI, sometimes it stops people, sometimes it doesn't.. more often than not, people come back to me later with a "thanks" when they see friends so frustrated or with a "I don't know why I didn't listen" after they've played it so long.. *shrugs* All MMO's are addictive, and many get very boring given enough time.. if boredom was the only issue here, I'd probably not care enough to mention it, but this game become work to many people.. everyone eventually stops having fun and plays it to be playing it, to do meaningless things that frustrate them.. it's odd, and it is a case I've seen mostly isolated to just this game alone. (If it has happened with others, wouldn't surprise me, but this is the only case I've seen myself with all the MMO's I've played..) |
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Shyguy Level: 23 Posts: 69/87 EXP: 64313 Next: 3410 Since: 02-19-07 From: The Moon Last post: 6235 days Last view: 6228 days |
Posted by Sonicandfails Thank you for that, world of warcraft is awsome, + I have been with Warcraft since the first RTS so im into the storyline alot |
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Red Cheep-cheep Level: 34 Posts: 102/216 EXP: 251557 Next: 2094 Since: 02-21-07 Last post: 6126 days Last view: 6103 days |
WoW isn't a bad game, it is just fairly boring.
At least if you have good memory that is.. I tend to have excellent memory, so after I repeat a quest a few times, it gets boring as hell to me.. and I rerolled enough that the low-mid levels became unbearable.. Didn't help that a lot of quests were essentially the same thing with different dialogue. Gameplay-wise, it was pretty fun I guess, PvP was cute too - though mostly frustrating and uneventful.. I guess all and all I just couldn't find reasons to keep playing it.. for all the content they have, it never seemed like enough. *shrugs* Posted by Caos The low-levels are a lot less of a strain than the higher levels, to be sure.. Seeing as he said he was 21, I think he has quite a ways to go before this stuff really sinks in.. but yes, you said it very well here.. The drama in the game was maddening, and is responsible for quite a bit of unique frustration all on its own... *groan* As for the question to why pay if you're not having fun.. REALLY EASY to say that one, really easy.. But addiction is a funny thing with this game, you can be incredibly miserable, but still end up paying that monthly fee and playing a game you don't have fun with anymore.. hence the warning I gave. It's drained the life out of too many people I've known, including very close friends and myself.. it just isn't worth it really. |
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Shyguy Level: 24 Posts: 51/95 EXP: 73384 Next: 4741 Since: 02-19-07 From: Florida Last post: 6112 days Last view: 6103 days |
Oh, I didn't take it the wrong way; I'm just defending it. I've had enough of every single video game fan who outright HATES a particular game, and yet they still play it. Even you, who has grown to dislike FFXI, you've been playing for so many years. More than $300 gone, and yet you still play it, and you stand before me trying to scare me away from it because you think my life is going to be sucked away.
I'll be honest, too; I'll quit FFXI someday after I hit the level cap. Same goes for WoW. I know how mundane it can get at times, but I have had the honor of playing right into a very awesome linkshell who makes everything interesting. Shoot, if they all quit before I hit the level cap, I probably will too because things won't be interesting anymore. Just please, PLEASE stop saying the game is oh-so-bad if you're still going to be paying for it. Every person who does that adds a bit of negativity to the online community, and negativity breeds foul moods, which in turn causes most of the drama. Just as a side note, I know how MMOs work. They are all addicting. I was on Runescape for two years, Flyff for a few months before getting FFXI, and now I'm paying $25 a month to sustain WoW and FFXI. However, I have made it a point in every MMO in the past to never stress out over it. I learned this early on in Runescape; if you stress out trying to reach some sort of goal, reaching said goal is so much less rewarding, because when you reach that point you're so sick of it you never want to do it again. Same applies for level grinding, support skills(synthesis in FFXI, and every non-fighting skill in Runescape as an example), and even running a guild/linkshell/clan. If you really think I'm just some sort of newbie who hasn't tasted high level levelling and will be scared and stressing out over it, so be it. I'm really tired of reasoning with people who hate what they play; I do it all the time on various Sonic forums as it is. So let's just quit it; this is my final word on this, and you're free to have a last word in as well. ____________________ |
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Posted by Rydain At least he had chicken.  |
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 Koopa Account taken over, please contact admins to reclaim Level: 27 Posts: 20/119 EXP: 102856 Next: 13303 Since: 02-22-07 From: El Paso, TX Last post: 3036 days Last view: 3036 days |
Well I like this game. I mostly love features that are pretty much universal to all MMO's. I like the social aspect of the whole thing,. Teamwork and trading and laughs and cries.
I almost exclusively play with people I know in real life, so that is probably why I find it so enjoyable. But whatever, I'm not gonna try to sell this game to anyone. Just wanted to say that i just recently started playing again. My servers are PvE Zangarmarsh and PvE Undemine if anyone wants to join me. I have both Horde and Alliance chars, high and low levels, so I'm game for anything. |
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Level: 105 Posts: 666/2846 EXP: 12033570 Next: 228690 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 6065 days Last view: 2803 days |
Posted by Krisan ThymeLike almost any online MMORPG. Every game gets boring fast, because there's no definite "end". They have to find ways to keep sucking your money out, so they'll occasionally rehash something old and call it brand new!!11. ____________________ I dealt with it. |
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Red Cheep-cheep Level: 34 Posts: 115/216 EXP: 251557 Next: 2094 Since: 02-21-07 Last post: 6126 days Last view: 6103 days |
Well it isn't just that X, WoW didn't get boring to me because I got a high level and had nothing to do\no end to meet.. it got boring because the quests themselves were too repetitive, and the gameplay relied far too heavily on them in order for you to make any progress at all, making it so you HAD to do the repetitive crap over and over.. Most online games don't get so boring so quickly, even XI didn't.. I can't even explain it really, but where WoW drove me crazy with its repetitive motion, a game like PSO or PSU doesn't bother me at all. (Which are perhaps the most repetitive games ever..)
Maybe I just didn't care for WoW period.. but I still don't think it was a terrible game. Unlike XI, which left me terribly bitter and frustrated me many a day to no end.. That was definitely an experience I don't want to relive. Posted by Xauna Well, I'm not paying for it anymore and haven't for over a year and a half now so.. I guess I'm eligible to bitch. And yea, I didn't mean to imply you were "just some newbie" it was just.. "please don't get sucked into it and go crazy like everyone else I know, it is for your own good."
I mean hell, addiction is one thing.. addiction AND misery though, that game is worth giving a friendly warning over. Have fun while you can if you think you can put it down safely though later on.. I've seen it suck in and crush some of the most intelligent and strongly willed people I've ever met though.. |
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Shyguy Level: 24 Posts: 53/95 EXP: 73384 Next: 4741 Since: 02-19-07 From: Florida Last post: 6112 days Last view: 6103 days |
Posted by Krisan Thyme I used to play Runescape. Sanity still mostly intact. *nods* I think I'm good. And besides, I started the Promyvion story just today and for the first time in a long time a plot exists that is really interesting(it has been a very long time since I have fallen for a plot). Although there's a slim but nonzero probability that I only like it because of the camera effects used in cutscenes... LIKE BLUR ZOOM WHOOSH~ ...Yeah, I can totally put it down any time. In any case, I got college around the corner anyway, and with the classes I'm taking I'll have plenty of reason to walk away. I'm an easily addicted gamer, but I have always been able to put the game down if something important came up. Err ya, last word and whatnot. ____________________ |
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