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Xeruss
Posted on 08-12-08 08:00 AM Link | Quote | ID: 88827


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Read.
According to this article, our culture (at least in America) is currently being run by young children with parents who're submissive to their babies' every whim.
The quote that gets me most:

"They've got power over the remote control. Any adult says, 'I want to watch this' and appeals to reason. An 8-year-old girl says, 'I'm watching this, I'm watching this, I'm watching this!' and you give in."

If anyone in my family would've done this as a child, they would have either been spanked and sent to bed, or told to "shut the hell up, you don't make the money around here" - as it should be. Respect for elders is getting hard to find, and parents who love to please their children are becoming increasingly common.

They say my generation has a vastly problematic "obesity epidemic" that will shorten the overall lifespan. It would also seems laziness is a factor now.
This entire country is going down the tubes...

Anyway, how do you feel about this?

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Posted on 08-12-08 11:13 AM Link | Quote | ID: 88831

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the tubes of the intarwebs?

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Posted on 08-12-08 03:47 PM Link | Quote | ID: 88833


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Maybe almost every simultaneously misplaced their belts.

Didn't stop my parents, though.

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Yeah, parent's aren't very strict these days. I want to know what the hell happened to the meaning of "strict."

I see bad futures for kids without strict parents.

I heard Miley Cyrus is one of those bratty little teens, and she bosses her Dad around.



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For some interesting sociological insight read Michel Houellebecq's brillant novel "The Elementary Particles". It's not directly related to this issue, but in portraying some consequences of the cultural and sexual revolution of the late 60's one can see how some (permissive) values which have been over-valued in that time are part of our culture today.

Anyway, read the book, it's brillant .

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Yes I know, my brother (way older and with children) tells me it's hard to be a strict parent and beat them up when they do a bad thing because your children can (if they know how to) simply call 911 and tell them you're abusing them and then you either go to jail or get ripped off your kids easily.

But I plan to be pretty strict with my children, I want them to grow to be someone important and not a drug addict with worthless friends living in the streets.

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Banks (and the monetary system) are also in the picture, as they are almost everywhere you can think of, even in your underwear. "What's the point?", you're asking. Simple. Since the deficiencies of our banking systems makes everything cost more and more every second (it never goes down, at least), a direct consequence is the necessity for women to get out of home and work their ass off to pay for rent/mortgage, the car, etc. It's not the only reason why they do that, but it's a determining factor. Add to that the ever growing stress factor, again for the same reason:

Deficient money system = everything is more expensive = more work for the same goods

Noone at home, children are less educated, or worse, educated by the daycare center employees many hours a day. When the parents are at home, they are more stressed and tired (see equation above). From there, it depends mainly on the parents general attitude and life philosophy. Some of them will go with brute force. Hit their kids as a solution to stop them from crying or whining. Some of them will go the "abandon all hope" path, and they will consider that giving what the kid wants is less energy-consuming than trying to explain to them moral principles (which is not always possible if the kid is too young) and applying discipline...

There are other factors to take into consideration, but I think those two are important and depict some major problems at the root of contemporary societies...


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Posted on 08-15-08 10:28 AM (rev. 3 of 08-15-08 10:30 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 88962


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Banks (and the monetary system) are also in the picture, as they are almost everywhere you can think of, even in your underwear. "What's the point?", you're asking. Simple. Since the deficiencies of our banking systems makes everything cost more and more every second (it never goes down, at least), a direct consequence is the necessity for women to get out of home and work their ass off to pay for rent/mortgage, the car, etc. It's not the only reason why they do that, but it's a determining factor. Add to that the ever growing stress factor, again for the same reason:

Deficient money system = everything is more expensive = more work for the same goods

Noone at home, children are less educated, or worse, educated by the daycare center employees many hours a day. When the parents are at home, they are more stressed and tired (see equation above). From there, it depends mainly on the parents general attitude and life philosophy. Some of them will go with brute force. Hit their kids as a solution to stop them from crying or whining. Some of them will go the "abandon all hope" path, and they will consider that giving what the kid wants is less energy-consuming than trying to explain to them moral principles (which is not always possible if the kid is too young) and applying discipline...

There are other factors to take into consideration, but I think those two are important and depict some major problems at the root of contemporary societies...



While the decrease in purchasing power might be tied to banks, I doubt it's any direct consequence of physical presence through brick-and-mortar and online entities. Actually, I'd like to note that monetary issues primarily include contraction and expansion of the monetary supply. Besides, I don't really see how such a contention weighs in, so please clarify. =(

The article mentions a general rise in spending on consumer goods for younger and younger children, which is contrary to the idea that people are working more and more for sustenance. If anything, it means that parents are buying children a range of products increasingly dissimilar to the conventional toys of the past.

I'm not really too sure how these products compare to that of my generation, since I was too busy playing video games, but I take offense at the Tolkien jab at middle-aged people though, since he was my favorite author in the world when I was twelve.

I don't think the more adult-like basket of consumer goods consumed by a younger audience really indicates a more precocious generation at all, but I could be wrong; I don't think that attacking the media is at all justified, as whatever changes in consumer influence have been growing ever since media has branched out into increasingly-accessible outlets, like the tubez.

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Posted on 08-17-08 08:07 AM Link | Quote | ID: 89069


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lol blank cell
Great, more things to beat. :\

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Seems to me that most parents nowadays just don't want to deal with the situation, so they ignore it.

No wonder there's so many wiggers out there in the United States nowadays. Jeez.

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Attacking the media is only justified to the extent that the media tries to reinforce the parents in their misconception that it can take over the burden of bringing up their children from them.

I also think that parents who, if they do think they both have to work full-time, can't somehow integrate the education of their children with their work - and if it is by taking them along to their workplace, which should be more and more often feasible with the shift in nature of modern jobs (with the repetitive ones increasingly being left to the machines, while human resources are now milked for their creativity; of course, some liberalization of the attitude of many employers towards this would also be a good thing) - shouldn't get children of their own to begin with. A single qualified full-time job should, mostly, suffice for a family to survive; if they want more money than they can earn from one, it's either greed or a demand to live over their standards. I think to make a decision between kids and an upper-class car is a feasible demand to make from a hypothetical family of high-school dropouts; the same, of course, goes for proportionally higher above-their-level felt needs in higher-qualification families.

"If they want that 40-inch plasma TV so badly, let evolution get the better of their unrealistic expectations."

Back on the topic of discipline, I think this development will (temporarily?) reverse itself once the degree to which parents spoil their children has passed a certain point. Kids who were brought up being spoiled and commanding around their parents are, in my opinion, unlikely to develop the kind of character that will make them capable of sacrificing themselves for the sake of their own children once they get them, instead retaining the same attitude of selfish command.

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Posted by blackhole89
of course, some liberalization of the attitude of many employers towards this would also be a good thing

The way I see it, the same should apply to children as does to pets - Nobody will love them as much as you do, so don't force their presence upon us.
Focused work environments are not the place for screaming kids, and they shouldn't have to be.
Bringing kids into work should only be allowed if everyone agrees by anonymous vote.

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The screaming variety of kids should be left at home with at least one parent, perhaps even on government payroll as it is handled in Germany at the moment. I was assuming them to already have developed a consciousness and certain degree of common sense.

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I'll rehash the 40-inch Plasma TV, for the sake of example. If 40-inch Plasma TVs are produced, it means they ought to be consumed sooner or later (or else, their production is not justified). Considering both decisions mutually exclusive, even from a pure econo-mathematical standpoint, looks like a non sequitur at best. It's the same kind of reasoning as the supposition that students should be poor because high revenue and school are arbitrarily judged to be mutually exclusive...

But it is true that with the advancement of technology, and the ever-growing number of machines working for us, we should be working less (as machines are made mainly for that purpose) and parents spend more time with their family. It's quite the opposite happening in many places in the world right now. It all resolves around the deficiencies of the money system... And negligence... Negligence to remove greedy people from their positions of power and prevent detrimental behaviors...


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