The problem of no new users stands though. Our best bet for attracting new blood is to create an attractive piece of media that everyone wants. (ie. Incredible hack, movie, etc...) If we could pull off something of that nature, everyone would want to claim affiliation with us, so a bunch of people would start to join. Probably mostly dumbasses to start, but word would spread. Or we could try an "advertising" campaign. Just go to some other forums with a picture and link in the signature, and show that this board consists of intelligent people. It's not a bunch to work with, but those are my ideas. ____________________ Design © 2009 Stark Once for the Super Dave TV show I was the stuntman that fell down the entire wtc stairwell. ~ jargon