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YD
Posted on 09-14-07 03:50 AM Link | Quote | ID: 65350


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Is this permanent? It's funny to stick it to him, but grey mario is pretty entertaining and not much else happens around here

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Clockworkz
Posted on 09-14-07 03:54 AM Link | Quote | ID: 65351


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I agree with YD. I'd rather break his humble spirit through flames and hatred than just ban him.
Please? Can we?

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MathOnNapkins
Posted on 09-14-07 05:43 AM Link | Quote | ID: 65354


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Last view: 4020 days 		How about directing him to ||board? He won't get banned there and we can rip on him all we want.

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DSGatling
Posted on 09-14-07 05:48 AM Link | Quote | ID: 65355


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lol blank cell
Posted by MathOnNapkins
How about directing him to ||board? He won't get banned there and we can rip on him all we want.

He hates ||board for some odd reason...

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Cat Justice
Posted on 09-14-07 04:08 PM Link | Quote | ID: 65372


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Last view: 5349 days 		Christ! Come on! It is no longer necessary to dwell upon the past issues anymore. True, it is unfortunate that things have gone down hill AT THAT TIME. But is this board in a rut right now? No. We are simply recovering from the losses.

Don't like it?
Don't have a SOLUTION to this so-called problem?
Banned and cannot do anything about it?

Shut up.

blackhole89
Posted on 09-14-07 10:55 PM Link | Quote | ID: 65391


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To condense it down to a version I think all parties can agree on, leaving out all the "that was good" or "that was bad" style judgement, writing in third person so this can be conveniently referred to if this question should arise again...

- Xkeeper, over time, started considering Acmlm more and more unnecessary/meaningless/a hassle to the board and himself de facto leader of the board, slowly reshaping it in a way he considered necessary; his reshapement goals can be seen more or less come true at Justus2.
- A bunch of people who have been around for a while found the changes to the spirit of the community to be to the worse and reckoned they had to something about it.
- A 15-minute difference/power argument over the EmuNET channel #acmlm between blackhole89 and Xkeeper (which could be condensed down to "blackhole89 had power over the IRC channel after having registered it, Xkeeper openly demanded to be handed it to be able to ban some people he doesn't like without potential interference") led to a first split of the community, at least its IRC part, roughly along the "for pre-Xkeeper Acmlm's Board way of running things" and "for Xkeeper's way of runnings things" line. Xkeeper used his formal superior status to blackhole89 on the board to declare his channel the new official board channel.
- blackhole89, Ailure and Emuz decided to ask Acmlm to remove Xkeeper from his position as long as he still had some formal executive power as 'that guy on the banner'. After a bit of discussion, Acmlm agreed. His ability to take responsibility for that decision/manipulatability in the matter is disputed by those who sided with Xkeeper, and retrospectively agreed to be somewhat doubtable by those who did not as well.
- The aftermath of Xkeeper's demotion turned out to be much heavier than Acmlm/Ailure/blackhole89/Emuz expected. Amplified by severe flamewars and multiple successful attacks at the board and its database mostly by Xkeeper and stag019 (the former initially successfully making use of a number of backdoors precautiously installed in the board code) and more minor things, Acmlm and Emuz soon effectively hid away from the events. Nevertheless, Acmlm could be convinced to approve of running a new staff reorganization which he never got around to evaluate later. Predictably, the on-board drama did not decrease in amount.
- Some time later, Xkeeper somehow managed to convince Acmlm to give him carte blanche to announce Acmlm's resignation and access to the board files. (read above for manipulatability theories)
Xkeeper closed down the board, replacing it for an advertisment for ||board and Justus2, a few log bits and a link to a pong game (oh, you >:), truncated the database and deleted all logs that remained on the server. Almost severed from the world of the internet due to being in Russia, having not much time to investigate what happened, blackhole89 took up a some 5 day old backup from who-knows-where. After verifying Acmlm's unwillingness to further deal with all the drama, his name was removed from the board, which is half-officially named Board 2 or board2 now.
- An ad-hoc commission of Ailure, blackhole89, cpubasic13 and Cirvante discussed out administrators and full moderators to appoint for the new forum now that Acmlm himself was gone. Since the posting of the concept also meant the quashing of some people's aspirations to move the whole board to ||bass' server/acmlm.org, it was severely attacked from all sides. cpubasic13 resigned at the sight of, figuratively speaking, "shit hitting the fan".
- To prevent further propagandistic (or "PR", to use a less loaded term) victories for the Justus2/Xkeeper-supporting faction and being fed up with the constant allegations of having abused power as a server hoster to seize control of the board, blackhole89 stepped down from all administrative positions. A bit later, he was asked by Cirvante to accept a local moderator without forum position and accepted.
- Though a certain drop in activity occured, the forum is in a stable state now and continues running.

tl;dr: The drama season is over. Move on with your lives. >>65372.

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Voldemalt
Posted on 09-15-07 12:01 AM Link | Quote | ID: 65394

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Last view: 6077 days 		Because I feel severely underrepresented, and because you really made me laugh on line when I went to check my email for a driver MS is supposed to send me:

Proposing 7 days, at the very least. The only thing he seems to be around for anymore is spamming, flaming and defending Xkeeper.

DEFENDING XKEEPER IS NOW A BANNABLE OFFENSE EVERYBODY
WATCH YOUR MOUTHS HE'S THE NEW EVIL GUY IN TOWN

but yeah seriously, I feel like stirring up more shit because I'm stuck waiting for this goddamn driver, so here:

145325> -ChanServ- Information for channel #rohmacking:
145325> -ChanServ- Founder: tuna
145325> -ChanServ- Description: general bullshit channel
145325> -ChanServ- Registered: Sep 10 03:59:16 2005 BST
145325> -ChanServ- Last used: Sep 13 01:38:42 2007 BST
145325> -ChanServ- Options: Topic Retention, Secure
145325> -ChanServ- Mode lock: +ns

- Xkeeper goes to bed, wakes up to find #rohmacking became #acmlm with blackhole89 as owner (note: #rohmacking never was, and never attempted to be, the "official" board channel; it was just a place that happened to share a lot of users)
- Xkeeper requests re-ownership of channel, denied by blackhole89 because it's "the official board channel now"
- Xkeeper re-starts #x, gives a flaming "fuck you" in form of opping everybody in #acmlm
- blackhole89 bans, gee doesn't this seem like #nobodysworld "we're the official board channel you fuckwits" +b Acmlm*!*@*1
- blackhole89 pushes discusses with Acmlm/Emuz to overthrow Xkeeper, giving them about 5 minutes to decide2
- blackhole89 doesn't realize what he's doing, refuses to understand Xkeeper's methodology, goads Ailure into convincing (or trying to if nothing else) Xkeeper into thinking everything is okay
- Xkeeper proceeds to pack up things and leave, setting various bombs to use in the event he isn't given enough time to cleanly leave
- blackhole89 removes server access entirely
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- blackhole89 claims Emuz and Acmlm are still fully behind him, starts staff organization claiming it's now "Acmlm's Board" all over again
- weeks pass
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- more weeks pass
- Acmlm says "okay, fuck this", Xkeeper requests permission to blow up the board one last time from the "owner", Acmlm agrees
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- blackhole89 wakes up, assumes INTERWEB TERRORISM, restores board to everyone claiming it's a zombie board
- Thousands of jokes about board2 ensue on its forums
- blackhole89 reassures us that none of this is his fault, nothing is wrong, and he is completely within his rights to piss all over everybody because he's server owner
- Today! lolz

So yeah, if you're wondering where I went I wandered off to jul which is pretty much exactly how I would've ran this place if not for trying to at least respect Acmlm somewhat, so there you go

I wonder if my Mountain Dew thawed yet, I forgot I put it in the freezer while playing Kirby's Adventure and it froze



1 Long dead, using as a refrence
2 Verified via conversation with Emuz

Trapster
Posted on 09-15-07 12:04 AM Link | Quote | ID: 65395


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Posted by Voldemalt


- blackhole89 reassures us that none of this is his fault, nothing is wrong, and he is completely within his rights to piss all over everybody because he's server owner
- Today! lolz


You know, that describes yourself quite well too.

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Trapsdur
Posted on 09-15-07 12:20 AM Link | Quote | ID: 65397

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Last view: 6077 days 		The only mistake I made was using blackhole89's server in the first place.

I should've known it was coming. See also: TwilightRO.

I learned from my mistakes (why I'm using a much more trustworthy host), but blackhole-"I'm not staff but I'm not letting you ban Grey Mario unless you provide to me 5 reasons in a bullet-list format from the FAQ"-89 hasn't.

(Nickname based on real, current events.)

Dr_Death16
Posted on 09-15-07 12:25 AM Link | Quote | ID: 65398


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Last view: 3151 days 		Grey Mario should be perma'd simply for stirring this back up. I say everyone postpone the board split crap and agree that he's like a lyme disease-carrying tick, latching itself onto this community.

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RT-55J
Posted on 09-15-07 12:26 AM Link | Quote | ID: 65399

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I agree with Trapster.

Trapsdur
Posted on 09-15-07 12:27 AM Link | Quote | ID: 65400

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Posted by Dr_Death16
Grey Mario should be perma'd simply for stirring this back up. I say everyone postpone the board split crap and agree that he's like a lyme disease-carrying tick, latching itself onto this community.
Wow, someone else with a frontal lobe. What a rarity we are these days

blackhole89
Posted on 09-15-07 12:34 AM Link | Quote | ID: 65402


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As much as I hate restating it instead of just ignoring you, how has listening to the formal owner of the board rather than an aspiring pretender thinking he is the best thing since sliced bread anything to do with untrustworthiness?

Dr_Death16: Technically speaking, if anyone, the person who started this thread - unknowingly - stirred this back up.

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Nicole
Posted on 09-15-07 04:30 AM Link | Quote | ID: 65409


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Posted by blackhole89
at least its IRC part, roughly along the "for pre-Xkeeper Acmlm's Board way of running things" and "for Xkeeper's way of runnings things" line.

You know, it's interesting... Jul actually reminds me a lot more of the "classic" Acmlm's Board era (I tend to think of this as the first incarnation era) than this one does... Not in how it's run, but the general atmosphere overall...

And this comment is almost totally irrelevant, but a decent chunk of the relevant posts are basically flames (especially on the first page), so...

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Flan
Posted on 09-15-07 06:14 AM Link | Quote | ID: 65413


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Posted by blackhole89

tl;dr

Thought of making it into a book sometime?

MathOnNapkins
Posted on 09-15-07 04:30 PM Link | Quote | ID: 65417


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The milk man, the paper boy, evening TV?
You miss your old familiar friends just,
waiting just around the bend.

Everywhere you look,
Everywhere there's a heart
(There's a heart)
A hand to hold onto.
Everywhere you look,
Everywhere there's a face,
Of Somebody who needs you.
When you're lost out there and you're all alone,
A light is waiting to carry you home.
Everywhere you look.

TGIF man

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KP9000
Posted on 09-17-07 08:53 PM Link | Quote | ID: 65599


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We don't need another scab to be picked at. What has been done is done, no need to dwell upon it.

I'm closing this.

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