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Cat Justice
Posted on 08-25-07 11:21 AM Link | Quote | ID: 63664


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Posted by Shadic
I don't like trolls, and to be honest, this is starting to feel like more and more of a sinking ship.

Wow, I miss Acmlm's from a year ago.


The ship (aka the old board) has already sunk... just think of the two boards as lifeboats.

And the number of trolls from forum to forum doesn't mandate the quality of either one, as these values vary. No matter where you register, some point in time be it now or later, there will be a troll. Quite inevitable really.

Flan
Posted on 08-25-07 11:24 AM Link | Quote | ID: 63665


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Posted by CGX
Posted by Cat Justice
Anyone in favor of staying in the acmlm II forum will remain.
Anyone in favor of both will register on either side.
Anyone in favor of staying in the ||board will remain.

Everyone wins, we're all happy.


^

Having five million powerlines from five million utility companies is best for everyone, since then we have choice and competition!

setz
Posted on 08-25-07 01:27 PM Link | Quote | ID: 63672


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Last view: 2584 days 		You're totally right. lets just have one big web forum where everyone on the internet converges and talks, no sense in having five million of them.

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Shadic
Posted on 08-25-07 01:46 PM Link | Quote | ID: 63673


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Nick
Posted on 08-25-07 02:37 PM Link | Quote | ID: 63679


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setz
Posted on 08-25-07 03:48 PM Link | Quote | ID: 63684


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if you seriuosly think there is nothing wrong with than wtf is wrong with you

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Acerxix
Posted on 08-25-07 04:39 PM (rev. 2 of 08-25-07 04:43 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 63686


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Posted by Cat Justice
I really don't think the whole idea is necessary. I've seen people who are still registered to acmlm II register on the ||board just the same. There doesn't seem to be any conflict whatsoever.

Anyone in favor of staying in the acmlm II forum will remain.
Anyone in favor of both will register on either side.
Anyone in favor of staying in the ||board will remain.

Everyone wins, we're all happy.


I agree with you on this, if everyone wins there will be no more drama and therefor we can get on with our lifes.

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EggplantPimp
Posted on 08-25-07 05:11 PM Link | Quote | ID: 63693


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Last view: 1258 days 		I think we should merge with ||board, I remember lurking back in 2005 and there was alot of activity and also in 2006. There's nothing to lose by merging in my honest opinion, so I say yeah let's do it.

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Nick
Posted on 08-25-07 05:36 PM Link | Quote | ID: 63698


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Posted by setz


if you seriuosly think there is nothing wrong with than wtf is wrong with you


I prefer these myself.

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cpubasic13
Posted on 08-25-07 11:33 PM Link | Quote | ID: 63721


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Posted by SamuraiX
Having five million powerlines from five million utility companies is best for everyone, since then we have choice and competition!

I love it when people bring in real life issues and compare them to an Internet message board.

Because we all know it is exactly the same as in real life.

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Nick
Posted on 08-26-07 04:34 AM Link | Quote | ID: 63735


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Posted by cpubasic13
Posted by SamuraiX
Having five million powerlines from five million utility companies is best for everyone, since then we have choice and competition!

I love it when people bring in real life issues and compare them to an Internet message board.

Because we all know it is exactly the same as in real life.

Actually I'm inclined to believe that a single board is in the best interest of all considered.

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Sukasa
Posted on 08-26-07 09:39 AM Link | Quote | ID: 63767


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Last view: 3226 days 		Wow, I leave for just over a week and you morons fuck everything up. Again.

Helluva way to end a vacation . Food poisoning, terrorists, and this.

For the record, I'm mostly against closing this board down for the ROM Hacking reasons. If there is a palce for them to go, then I'd make my decision based on that.

Tweaker
Posted on 08-26-07 11:41 AM Link | Quote | ID: 63772


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Posted by Sukasa
Wow, I leave for just over a week and you morons fuck everything up. Again.

Helluva way to end a vacation . Food poisoning, terrorists, and this.

For the record, I'm mostly against closing this board down for the ROM Hacking reasons. If there is a palce for them to go, then I'd make my decision based on that.

This.

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cpubasic13
Posted on 08-26-07 03:27 PM Link | Quote | ID: 63782


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I checked IRC this morning. Here's what I found out.

blackhole says the merger idea is up to the new staff, yet he is the one that owns this server.

...you know, I'm probably stating the obvious, but I have the strangest feeling that blackhole wants nothing to do with this community anymore. If thats the case I suggest two things:

1) Shut the board down. Many are already thinking this should have happened already.
2) Forum restart with a different leader. Let everyone come back without any past history being brought up to start conflict. Staff that gets appointed is not one-sided, but instead have the staff be from all around. Perhaps we can forget all past conflicts this way and just learn to enjoy the board for what it is, not hate it based on the users that go to it. Sure it'd be hard to do, but I'm sure that we could do it right.

I'm thinking 2 is the best way to go, if mostly for the rom hackers. Although the big thing here would be talking with everyone on all sides to see if they can handle the others without the past being brought up. Don't want to appoint an admin that'd demote someone because of how much they hate said person. This means that Xkeeper would be unbanned, Grey Mario and the like unbanned (board exploiters banned for obvious reasons still), staff members consisting of ||board, Justus, and original Board2 members, and a half-half ruleset in place to prevent conflict as much as possible (conflict is going to happen, but I don't want it to escalate to this much drama).

Also, I want to say:

[04:51] <+blackhole89> wasn't cpubasic13 appointed as an administrator
[04:51] <+blackhole89> why don't you go and ask himn
[04:51] <+blackhole89> his opinion is as valid as mine

If that is any indication, that means someone else has to step up and take control over this damn board, and since I'm the only admin that gives a shit, looks like I'm taking control over the situation.

My only question is for you all:
Should we shut the board down completely, or should we go with my plan that keeps the board but with everything taken at face value and a fresh start? Or hell, let's add in the merger idea as I'm sure there are those that are still in favor of that.

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OoBurns
Posted on 08-26-07 07:43 PM Link | Quote | ID: 63796


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In my opinion, merger=bad idea. I stopped posting at ||board simply because I didn't like what I saw there, and I don't want it to return. I think restarting fresh would be the best way to go.

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Posted on 08-26-07 08:44 PM Link | Quote | ID: 63797


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So when are you actually getting someone to lead this place? whether or not you restart the board, you need someone at the helm.
Will that be stag019?

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Katrina
Posted on 08-26-07 08:56 PM Link | Quote | ID: 63798

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I'd go to ditch the forum system and get something that has nothing to do with "Acmlm", common, he does not cares for this. And I think its not ethic to use someone else's work choose a random owner and get on from that.

Besides, phpBB is one of the most secure forum systems I have seen, Invision Power Board 1.3 is free, and people in ibforen.de made a huge mod that would patch all its security issues. And what about MyBB ? MyBB is an extremely good forum system with AJAX features, and the 1.4 version will be released pretty soon.




blackhole89
Posted on 08-26-07 10:10 PM (rev. 3 of 08-26-07 10:18 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 63801


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I talked a bit to Acmlm earlier today, and he doesn't mind us continuing to use the forum system. Besides, many people contributed to board2 (including me, which means I am quite biased, but who isn't in some way...) and it would be a shame to throw all of that away; it just needs a bit more polish here and there to be as functional as any other board system.

cpubasic13, regarding your interpretation of (2), I have some comments (before everyone starts off with "there, blackhole89 seizing power lolololol", those are opinions, not some kind of orders as people who like drama tend to interpret everything I say).
First off, what do you mean by a "restart"? A wipe would be bad for the sake of said ROM hackers and wouldn't really yield much use other than scaring even more people away. Anything else doesn't deserve grave and important-sounding words like "restart"... (somehow makes me think of a German comic I saw somewhere where a computer addressed its user saying something that could be rendered as "'Reboot' sounds so cold and unpersonal... let's call it a new beginning!")
Secondly, why are you so concerned about the community getting some kind of, in the one or other way, "leader"/tyrannical overlord who gets to dictate his opinion? I see no reason why an administration of equals, given an amount of guidelines as a "constitution" agreed upon in the beginning, should not work; it also would minimize the chances of such a case repeating.
Regarding stag019, I personally have mixed feelings about the possibility of seeing him on any staff positions; while he certainly has the required skills and motivation, I have more and more gotten the impression of him being somewhat arrogant, overly ambitious (some may call it 'power hungry'), unfriendly and overall too reminiscent of a past case I remember all too well... I think there are other more appropriate candidates.

On another note, I will try pulling off a staff reorganization with the other administrators and possibly involvement of the rest of the community when I get back home; forgive my inactivity during the past seven days, but the possibilities of connecting to the internet are very limited and low-quality here in Russia, especially in the rural areas I spent a good percentage of the time. The latest incident hit me head on when I was connecting at an astonishing speed of 4.8kbit/s (the connection entirely stopped working a few minutes after I read about it), so I wasn't able to contribute my share to dealing with it... anyway, thanks for sticking with us despite all the drama to everyone, I guess.

edit: The post didn't look long enough, so I decided to add something.
In my opinion (see disclaimer on that above), a merger would not make much sense because (a) those who really wanted to merge presumably long would have joined ||board and (b) I got the impression that 95% of the merge proponents are people who were active on ||board only before Xkeeper got booted anyway, so such a merger would essentially mean "board2 gets blown up and a few of its members join ||board".

edit2:
"This means that Xkeeper would be unbanned, Grey Mario and the like unbanned (board exploiters banned for obvious reasons still)"
Does building in backdoors, truncating the DB multiple times and flooding 400MB into the PM table not count as board exploiting?

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chungy
Posted on 08-26-07 10:58 PM Link | Quote | ID: 63804


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Last view: 4253 days 		You basically put a situation that makes it tyranny vs oligarchy. Not the best of choices imo.

I can't pinpoint the ideal system that I would want. I'd have a system where the users get to say what happens on a board. Democracies have proven to be failures. I don't know how an anarchy would turn out. Looking at wikipedia, Meritocracy sounds more or less what I had in mind. The staff positions should only exist to provide narrow duties; that is, more or less keep order to the place; administrators should be the highly-trusted members that appoint other staff members (though this description doesn't accurately portray the real situation people want), or settle disputes in the manner a board is run. Other than that, they're regular people, and should be viewed as such except for some very special (and obvious) occasions.

blackhole89
Posted on 08-26-07 11:06 PM Link | Quote | ID: 63806


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Well yeah, a strict "oligarchy" in the sense of an arbitrary group of people holding power would be a bad option... however, what I was referring to was, in fact, closer to the Meritocracy as you linked it; many of the differences do become immaterial in internet community context, making it being considerable sorts of a subform of oligarchy.
Other than that, I pretty much fully agree with you.

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