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Ribo Zurai
Posted on 07-08-07 07:14 PM (rev. 2 of 07-08-07 09:26 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 53242


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Last view: 6073 days 		Hello everybody. I was searching to Custom Sprites for SMW, and I found this:

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When I opened, was full of ASM Files, with great effects. There´s also an type of ips file with an hack, showing how all those asm files works. There´s one, that when you press select, all sprites in the screen suddenly disappears. And other that affect the On/Off switches: when it´s On, affects the sound, making the "Yoshi Drum" sound to appear, and Off to disappear. I think the hack is "Starw".

Someone known of this?

Edit: Lol, the last thing I want is trouble between american and japanese hackers. So, I will remove the link.

Mythbusterbro
Posted on 07-08-07 08:00 PM Link | Quote | ID: 53245


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Last view: 5931 days 		take the link off! we cannot use it!it is the starsw.zip take it off!

blackhole89
Posted on 07-08-07 08:02 PM Link | Quote | ID: 53246


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Posted by Mythbusterbro
take the link off! we cannot use it!it is the starsw.zip take it off!

Excuse me, good sir, what?

Other than that, this looks fairly interesting. Somebody (not me, feeling lazy) should convert all the ShiftJISed filename titles to UTF-8 for good measure...

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S.N.N.
Posted on 07-08-07 08:03 PM Link | Quote | ID: 53247


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Last view: 5457 days 		What I think he is assuming is that people are going to take the ASM out of the zip and use it in their own hack, and he doesn't want that

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Mythbusterbro
Posted on 07-08-07 08:27 PM Link | Quote | ID: 53249


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Posted by S.N.N.
What I think he is assuming is that people are going to take the ASM out of the zip and use it in their own hack, and he doesn't want that

No remember the starsw.zip that was in sprite tool but there were in some trouble with the japanese mario hackers?
well after that we cant use cause we migth get in trouble just look in the sprite tool treadth and read all of the posts!

Raccoon Sam
Posted on 07-08-07 08:28 PM Link | Quote | ID: 53250


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Posted on 07-08-07 08:32 PM Link | Quote | ID: 53253


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I am very positive that Nintendo didn't want us to work on their games either.

If it was any other kind of distribution limitation, I'd probably say it would be ethical to indeed cease using it, but I somehow can't warm up for supporting this kind of blatant nationalism in any way. Nationality is a horrible concept.

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Posted on 07-08-07 08:36 PM Link | Quote | ID: 53254


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Posted by Raccoon Sam
If anyone read the README.txt, it mentioned that the author does not want this outside Japan.


I don't think Fuyosa wanted Lunar Magic hacked either, but hey, I am just the devil's advocate here.

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Posted on 07-08-07 08:43 PM Link | Quote | ID: 53256

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Posted by blackhole89
I am very positive that Nintendo didn't want us to work on their games either.

If it was any other kind of distribution limitation, I'd probably say it would be ethical to indeed cease using it, but I somehow can't warm up for supporting this kind of blatant nationalism in any way. Nationality is a horrible concept.
Indeed.

And sorry, but internet have no boundaries. It's stupid to limit distribution to a certain country.:/

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Tyty
Posted on 07-08-07 08:48 PM Link | Quote | ID: 53259


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If they didn't want it to be found, it shouldn't have been put on the WORLD WIDE WEB, that everyone can access.

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Drag
Posted on 07-08-07 08:53 PM Link | Quote | ID: 53260


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Last view: 3928 days 		It's just like 2ch, this kind of nationalism really starts to get annoying after a while. However, it's part of the Japanese culture to want to be 'the best' or 'better than everyone else', which is fine, I guess, but when it leads to pointless nationalism, it's just meh.

I can understand if the author doesn't want anyone to use his asm hacks in a hack without his permission, but when he doesn't anyone who isn't Japanese to use the hacks, then that's just ridiculous.

And that's my Caucasian American opinion.

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Sgraff87
Posted on 07-08-07 08:58 PM Link | Quote | ID: 53261


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Last view: 5664 days 		And yet, to make those ASM hacks, they use tools probably not made in japan.

blackhole89
Posted on 07-08-07 08:59 PM (rev. 2 of 07-09-07 02:18 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 53262


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After actually bothering to transcode the non-autotranslated part of the readme file from ShiftJIS (curse you vernacular encodings D: ), the whole thing gets a little bit of a different look... apparently, the author
- thinks that his ability level is still low, considers this a work-in-progress and would be embarassed to show this to too many people
- hardly knows English at all and would not be able to provide support to English speakers
- says his 2channel-based hacking group does not want the Japanese hacks to become "too famous" outside Japan(from following the discussion there myself, though, I must come to the conclusion that far from all people in that community hold that opinion)
- won't mind a public release once he got better at English and spriting

The original, UTF8ified text: 
～原文～
機械翻訳で申し訳ございません。

すみませんが、私は、日本国外の方にダウンロードして欲しくない。
また、現在実行されている、日本国外の方での、二次配布・公開は止めて欲しいです。

なぜか、それは、私のサポートが大変であり、(私は英語がほとんど出来ない:(  )
また、私自身のレベルが低く、スプライトの完成度も低く、洗練されておらず、日本国内の一部のグループ以外には公開できないものであり(あまり広まると恥ずかしいのです・・・・:|　)
さらに、我々2chbbsで開発をしている私たちのグループは、こういう日本発のハック物をあまり有名にしたくないのです。

英語がうまくなり、私のスプライトのレベルが上がったときは、公開するかもしれません :)


In the light of that, I am tempted to revise my previously stated opinion in favour of a state of neutrality. On the other hand, of course, Darkdata has sorts of a valid point there. (though I personally still think the separate hacking groups should not try to keep their results concealed from the others)

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Drag
Posted on 07-08-07 09:05 PM (rev. 2 of 07-08-07 09:10 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 53263


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Last view: 3928 days 		Ahhhh ok. So it's not just pointless nationalism. I can't read Japanese, so I never would've known that. And yeah, that does change my view. I hope I didn't sound too harsh in my post.


Edit (because I feel like I need to add more):
But yes, there isn't much point in hiding things like this. Hiding a huge rom hacking project or a homebrew project is more understandable, but nobody should need to feel intimidated from sharing something like this. I mean, if he really feels like his skills are low, a way to improve is to get some comments and suggestions by people who he feels are of higher skill. And to do that, he needs to share his work with someone.

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Posted on 07-08-07 09:06 PM Link | Quote | ID: 53264


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Posted by Sgraff87
And yet, to make those ASM hacks, they use tools probably not made in japan.
You'd be suprised... they still use LZH (or whatever it was), a horribly obsolete and outdated compression algorthm*, just because it was made in Japan -- you rarely see RAR, 7z, or even ZIP come out of there.

Japanese are, in general, nationalistic to the point of refusing to use better things if they're not from Japan, it would seem.

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I dealt with it.

Sgraff87
Posted on 07-08-07 09:07 PM (rev. 4 of 07-08-07 09:09 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 53265


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Last view: 5664 days 		Ah so it is like japanese potters. I do believe they need to destroy their first 1000 pots before releasing a real piece of art. The ASMist here seems to want consolation if it is used, but language barriers keep him/them from understanding.

I fully understand their reasons, but it is unrealistic. Especially on the internet.

@Xkeeper: In history, they let only foreigners into their country to take their technology before kicking them out. But that was a long long time ago.

Ailure
Posted on 07-08-07 09:18 PM Link | Quote | ID: 53266

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The world probably would be much better if there was zero nationalism.

Although nice to see that it wasn't nationalism in this case, but being kinda humble about his abilities. I guess it's one of those cultural diffrences that can be a bit tricky to understand, as it's the other way around with western people.

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Reini
Posted on 07-08-07 09:24 PM Link | Quote | ID: 53268


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Last view: 5239 days 		I think I won't be able to use them.Everything is in Japanese,that it's impossible for me to understand.What tool should I use to translate this text?:


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;; Uses first extra bit: NO

It's the scroollockandteleport sprite.
I think you only need to add this to your level and that's it.

Yoshi Master
Posted on 07-08-07 09:32 PM Link | Quote | ID: 53269


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Last view: 5932 days 		If they truly don't want us using it, they should have left it to pms or something. What can they do? I think it's selfish and they just want to look better than us.

Ribo Zurai
Posted on 07-08-07 09:34 PM Link | Quote | ID: 53270


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