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Tarale
Posted on 02-22-07 02:21 PM Link | Quote | ID: 4486


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I'll post these in a separate thread so that they (hopefully) get some attention.

So that we cut down on some confusion, I would like to see the following "transparency" features.

  • Reason why banned users are banned in their profile. Indication if it is a temporary ban of how long ban will be for
    • If possible, who banned the user
  • Placeholder spots for moved threads, redirecting to new location (expire after a few days / disappear)
  • Placeholder spots for any deleted threads (expire after a few days / disappear) although these are unlikely
  • Small entry at end of closed threads explaining why a thread was closed (and by whom) - ie, attempt to make sure that this can't be accidentally forgotten


That is all for now.

General idea: to stop people asking other people the same kinds of questions over and over -- where is my thread? why am I banned and when will I be unbanned? why was this thread closed / who closed this thread? Who banned me?

Then when people get questions they don't know they can also look it up.

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An actual "bans" system that auto-lifted and managed bans would be nice, yes, and I considered implementing it on 1.9x before I lost total interest...

The rest was just a pain to do, but now it shouldn't be too hard, all you'd have to do is keep a "lastforum" field in "threads" (or even another table with moves/deletions) and show a placeholder thread if it isn't actually in that forum anymore...

The thread closing thing would be easier to put in, I guess some Javascript to pop up a dialogue that says "Reason for close/move/trash: xxxxxxxx" and then have that listed in the thread somewhere... but a lot of times, when I close a thread, it's because of an obvious reason (or I post it), but still.

And I'd say to rework the ban system entirely, and have a kind of "actions" table (or something) that would list why users were warned and such (mabye have a "Warn for this post" link? hmm...) that would be clearly listed in a user's profile to them and all other staff (not normal users)... and make it auto-PM someone, with the reason why they were warned/banned too. That way, "warning" would become more standardized instead of "No, you PM him, I'm lazy."



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Tarale
Posted on 02-22-07 02:33 PM Link | Quote | ID: 4493


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That all sounds good to me.

I'm just looking for stuff that makes communication a lot easier.

I want it to be as bleeding fucking obvious as possible to MoronicIdiot5856 why he was banned, warned or his thread about sheep-fucking was closed or whatever.

I want it to be bleeding obvious to the administrators too who actioned it so they don't have to ask. I don't care if some information isn't public -- in fact I don't want to see Administrators become targets because they appear in a public "Banned By" field in someone's profile.

And yes, standardized warnings / warn for this post (ban for this post?) = very win.

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Posted on 02-22-07 02:36 PM Link | Quote | ID: 4494


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I think "Warn for this post" would have a variety of options to choose from (including x-hour, x-day and permabans), not just warnings... but you ge tthe idea.


I think only showing the "actions taken vs. user" should only be visible to that specific user, and any staff. That way, the user knows who to PM regarding matters (and could even have a special link to fill the PM with some generic information, like "Regarding [action taken] with a quote of the post?") and can contact that person instead of wondering who it was.

I wouldn't show it because there's no real reason to publicly criticize someone for a few small mistakes (warnings), but things like bans should be publicly listed albeit without an admin name.

/me shrugs

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setz
Posted on 02-22-07 05:25 PM Link | Quote | ID: 4552


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those are actually good ideas. I usually don't like placeholders, but if they go away they're fine. I had suggested a "reason" field for bans before, and for closed threads its good too, because I don't have to waste my time bumping a thread that should be closed.

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Tarale
Posted on 02-23-07 02:19 AM Link | Quote | ID: 5116


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See, I like placeholders, because they provide an immediate visual reminder to users to check that they are posting in the right place. At least, to users who actually look anyway...

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Posted by Tarale
I want it to be as bleeding fucking obvious as possible to MoronicIdiot5856 why he was banned

I'm flattered--or is it flattened --but yes, I agree with this idea, although it won't change anything. It's foolish to think there is any sort of justice--justice on the internet, you've got to be kidding me--inherent on this board. It's pretty obvious the only real rule is "don't disagree with people with more power than you." Am I implying there's a caste system on this board? No, I'm going out and saying it. Underlings have no right to say anything to their betters.

Tarale
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I don't know why you think I'm talking about you. Would it have helped if I remembered to put he/she in there?

As for it being about justice, meh. It's about communication.

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Colin
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Maybe have it so that when someone is banned, the title field has to be filled out as a required field? Granted, sometimes people will type "GTFO" in there, but at least then you're somewhat forced to explain what happened.

Kles
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Posted by Colin
Maybe have it so that when someone is banned, the title field has to be filled out as a required field? Granted, sometimes people will type "GTFO" in there, but at least then you're somewhat forced to explain what happened.


That's really, really, awkward and wouldn't work.

Nicole
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Posted by Colin
Maybe have it so that when someone is banned, the title field has to be filled out as a required field? Granted, sometimes people will type "GTFO" in there, but at least then you're somewhat forced to explain what happened.
When I was first on the board, pretty much every banned user had the date of unbanning and the reason in their titles... but that changed over time, probably because the number of people needing bans increased so much.

As I vaguely recall, one of the 1.B versions had an auto-ban system with dates and such that didn't work very well.

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What in 1.B did work well?


Kles: Why wouldn't it work? You could have...

Ban until: [00]-[00]
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It'd be easy to do even.

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