So, Mario Kart DS did this...

Points of Required Attention™

Please chime in on a proposed restructuring of the ROM hacking sections.

05-07-24 07:35 AM

Guest: Register | Login

0 users currently in Gaming | 3 guests

Main - Gaming - So, Mario Kart DS did this...

New thread | New reply

Pages: 1 2 3 4

Tyty

Posted on 06-30-07 01:02 AM (rev. 3 of 06-30-07 01:03 AM)

Link | Quote | ID: 50808

Vire
Jizz Danmaku
Level: 77

Posts: 255/1381
EXP: 4049551
Next: 141578

Since: 04-20-07
From: Canada

Last post: 4458 days
Last view: 3730 days

I'm just saying that he thought he needed 10 sentences to tell someone their OPINION is wrong, opinions can't be wrong because they aren't facts =P , plus he didn't need 10 sentences to say
"I think that what you said that had nothing to do with the original topic is wrong"

____________________

Sinfjotle

Posted on 06-30-07 01:10 AM

Link | Quote | ID: 50809

Red Cheep-cheep
Level: 35

Posts: 212/221
EXP: 260501
Next: 19435

Since: 02-19-07

Last post: 6117 days
Last view: 6153 days

Opinions can be credible or misinformed though.

Stark

Posted on 06-30-07 01:47 AM

Link | Quote | ID: 50820

Puella Magi

Last post: 4676 days
Last view: 3894 days

Posted by tyty210
I'm just saying that he thought he needed 10 sentences to tell someone their OPINION is wrong, opinions can't be wrong because they aren't facts =P , plus he didn't need 10 sentences to say
"I think that what you said that had nothing to do with the original topic is wrong"

If it is your opinion that people shouldn't snake, then sorry, your opinion is wrong.

____________________
Pay attention. This will be on the test.

Tyty

Posted on 06-30-07 01:50 AM (rev. 2 of 06-30-07 01:51 AM)

Link | Quote | ID: 50822

Vire
Jizz Danmaku
Level: 77

Posts: 257/1381
EXP: 4049551
Next: 141578

Since: 04-20-07
From: Canada

Last post: 4458 days
Last view: 3730 days

, it is my opinion that they shouldn't snake in multiplayer, besides, blue shell hackers will own that anyways XD

it can be done to unlock stuff and beat first player, in fact it should be done in first player, just i like to have a game where everyone has a fair chance of wining... 'cept SSBM.... then I just win against people until they die >=D

____________________

Shadic

Posted on 06-30-07 01:58 AM

Link | Quote | ID: 50823

Buzzy Beetle
Level: 44

Posts: 249/376
EXP: 578100
Next: 33185

Since: 02-19-07
From: Washington

Last post: 5962 days
Last view: 5754 days

Posted by tyty210
, it is my opinion that they shouldn't snake in multiplayer, besides, blue shell hackers will own that anyways XD

it can be done to unlock stuff and beat first player, in fact it should be done in first player, just i like to have a game where everyone has a fair chance of wining... 'cept SSBM.... then I just win against people until they die >=D

"A tactic needed to complete the game 100% should not be used in multiplayer! That's cheating!"

____________________

Madman200

Posted on 06-30-07 02:15 AM

Link | Quote | ID: 50828

Level: 58

Posts: 526/726
EXP: 1550962
Next: 26584

Since: 02-20-07

Last post: 4462 days
Last view: 4462 days

Posted by Shadic
"A tactic needed to complete the game 100% should not be used in multiplayer! That's cheating!"

Depends on the tactic.

Rapidly pressing L (X) to drop bananas or the like : fine
Overusing a speed assist (mini-turbos) : wrong

Stark

Posted on 06-30-07 02:26 AM

Link | Quote | ID: 50831

Puella Magi

Last post: 4676 days
Last view: 3894 days

That is an arbitrary distinction.

You know, a man I respect a lot by the name of David Sirlin has said this better than I ever could.

linky

____________________
Pay attention. This will be on the test.

Kattwah

Posted on 06-30-07 03:03 AM (rev. 2 of 06-30-07 03:04 AM)

Link | Quote | ID: 50845

Fuzzy
Level: 60

Posts: 651/778
EXP: 1720659
Next: 52119

Since: 02-19-07

Last post: 2501 days
Last view: 1662 days

Posted by tyty210
, it is my opinion that they shouldn't snake in multiplayer, besides, blue shell hackers will own that anyways XD

Step 1: Purposely fall behind.

Step 2: Get blue shell/star

Step 3: Trail close till the end of the race

Step 4: Stop them at the finish line

Step 5: VICTOLY

BTW: I still havent heard a good argument as to why snaking is horrible and should be banned and blah blah blah.

Also: +5 points for the article Kyouji

____________________
A big shoutout to Vyper for this

Mattrizzle

Posted on 06-30-07 03:11 AM

Link | Quote | ID: 50846

Red Cheep-cheep
Level: 33

Posts: 125/202
EXP: 226535
Next: 2644

Since: 04-21-07
From: United States

Last post: 2431 days
Last view: 2392 days

I say let people snake. I'm not concerned about my record; I just play to have fun.

What really annoys me on WI-FI is when someone hacks the game to get an unlimited number of items, which they then use frequently until the game locks up (on my end, anyway). That is cheating.

____________________

DarkSlaya

Posted on 06-30-07 03:29 AM

Link | Quote | ID: 50848

Cheep-cheep
Level: 32

Posts: 148/189
EXP: 206018
Next: 424

Since: 02-19-07

Last post: 6012 days
Last view: 6004 days

Posted by Mattrizzle87
What really annoys me on WI-FI is when someone hacks the game to get an unlimited number of items, which they then use frequently until the game locks up (on my end, anyway). That is cheating.

Well of course.

There's a big difference between using something that's part of the game and using an external device to do something that wouldn't be possible normally.

NightKev

Posted on 06-30-07 04:34 AM

Link | Quote | ID: 50864

Cape Luigi
Level: 131

Posts: 1414/4792
EXP: 26252804
Next: 171816

Since: 03-15-07

Last post: 3745 days
Last view: 3657 days

Posted by tyty210
just i like to have a game where everyone has a fair chance of wining... 'cept SSBM.... then I just win against people until they die >=D

Um, ok...
I would own you in SSBM

tyty210: "omg snaking is cheating" - No, you are wrong. Cheating (definition from dictionary.com): "To violate rules deliberately, as in a game"
Well tell me, what rules are they violating when using the snaking technique? Oh, thats right, NONE. Using an ARDS is cheating, snaking is not. This is not opinion, this is fact. Deal with it.

____________________

HyperHacker

Posted on 06-30-07 06:19 AM

Link | Quote | ID: 50880

...
Level: 73

Posts: 1026/1220
EXP: 3369713
Next: 116155

Since: 03-25-07
From: no

Last post: 6102 days
Last view: 6086 days

The only "problem" with snaking is that it gives such a big boost in that game. And it's not really a problem because anyone can do it. It's cheap, but it's not cheating. Hacking or glitching is cheating.

BTW, why do you complain about snakers? Between hackers, the time it takes to actually find an opponent and get a race started without getting disconnected just before the green light, and the overall suckiness of the implementation, this game's online play is ruined without the aid of snakers.

Tyty

Posted on 06-30-07 06:44 AM

Link | Quote | ID: 50888

Vire
Jizz Danmaku
Level: 77

Posts: 259/1381
EXP: 4049551
Next: 141578

Since: 04-20-07
From: Canada

Last post: 4458 days
Last view: 3730 days

Posted by NightKev
Posted by tyty210
tyty210: "omg snaking is cheating" - No, you are wrong. Cheating (definition from dictionary.com): "To violate rules deliberately, as in a game"
Well tell me, what rules are they violating when using the snaking technique? Oh, thats right, NONE. Using an ARDS is cheating, snaking is not. This is not opinion, this is fact. Deal with it.

Did I ever say ONCE I thought it was cheating? no.
I said it's my opinion that it isn't very fun for others when you do it in multiplayer, but is fine in 1 player, totally fine...

____________________

Stark

Posted on 06-30-07 07:18 AM (rev. 2 of 06-30-07 07:19 AM)

Link | Quote | ID: 50913

Puella Magi

Last post: 4676 days
Last view: 3894 days

You say it's not fun when other people snake. I say it's not fun when I run into random people who don't snake. I like competition.

'course, you shouldn't play random online matches anymore because of the hackers who you auto-lose to. I know I don't. Therefore, it doesn't matter, because if you're playing online you're playing with friends and you shouldn't yell at me because I snake against my friends who also snake.

And HH, it is not cheap; cheap here means unfair, and it has clearly been demonstrated that it is not unfair. Perhaps cheap by the dictionary definition of comparatively inexpensive relative to value, but for what we obviously mean by cheap, it isn't cheap at all.

____________________
Pay attention. This will be on the test.

Celice

Posted on 06-30-07 04:17 PM (rev. 2 of 06-30-07 04:23 PM)

Link | Quote | ID: 51007

Buzz Blob
Level: 39

Posts: 48/285
EXP: 380085
Next: 24686

Since: 04-06-07
From: Oroville, CA

Last post: 3697 days
Last view: 3659 days

It's cheap to people who can't do it/don't bother/some other excuse.

If you don't want to snake, don't play with snakers. Find your own combatants. And if you see a snaker, turn the damn system off if it's that big a deal, not throw a hissy.

~~driving backwars was always fun for those who don't actually cheat~~

I myself wouldn't want to play with snakers. I guess the best way to surmise it is this: last year, before highschool ended and all, my friends and I would spend some days playing our DSes in our library. Once we got back into Mario Kart, we were laughing and all that good stuff. One guy wanted to be the one in first all the time, so he praciced snaking 'til there was no one who could catch up to him; from all the memories of bad-mouthing and random sheepish remarks, we all laughed and enjoyed our game, while the snaker finished the race and really, no five-star rape happens or massive air due to combined items or even just trying to ram another player a pixel behind you--we had fun, and that's because we were all playing at the same skill level. If we were all snaking it'd be nothing more, but as it is, I'd rather use an environment than abuse a mechanism, even if it isn't abusing.

Sinfjotle

Posted on 06-30-07 05:33 PM

Link | Quote | ID: 51011

Red Cheep-cheep
Level: 35

Posts: 214/221
EXP: 260501
Next: 19435

Since: 02-19-07

Last post: 6117 days
Last view: 6153 days

You should read the article.

Kles

Posted on 06-30-07 08:44 PM (rev. 2 of 06-30-07 10:35 PM)

Link | Quote | ID: 51035

Level: 75

Posts: 1155/1301
EXP: 3720648
Next: 106256

Since: 02-19-07
From: Canada

Posted by Alastor
Posted by Shadic
Posted by Sinfjotle
Might have to pick it up and play against you Alastor.
Have fun losing.
Shadic is right. I can't possibly say this without sounding incredibly arrogant, but I have defeated several people who were at the time the world champion.

So, Miguel Rodriguez, Sascha Brauninger (FalcoX), Thomas Bolton (TB1) and Lars Stelzig?

I honestly do not seem what the problem is with snaking. I mentioned it earlier, but now I'm going link to it:

http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm

Read this and still see if you're against snaking.

edit: holy shit Alastor already posted that link

Stark

Posted on 06-30-07 09:35 PM

Link | Quote | ID: 51045

Puella Magi

Last post: 4676 days
Last view: 3894 days

Miguel Rodriguez and... Damn it, I don't remember the other one's name. He was like the first world champ, though.

(What, several only means more than one)

____________________
Pay attention. This will be on the test.

Kles

Posted on 06-30-07 10:34 PM

Link | Quote | ID: 51067

Level: 75

Posts: 1158/1301
EXP: 3720648
Next: 106256

Since: 02-19-07
From: Canada

If you mean Mark Jones, he wasn't really... uh, a champion.

You might mean Michael Fried, though. (mjf315 I believe)

Madman200

Posted on 06-30-07 10:44 PM

Link | Quote | ID: 51069

Level: 58

Posts: 527/726
EXP: 1550962
Next: 26584

Since: 02-20-07

Last post: 4462 days
Last view: 4462 days

Fine, so I guess it is just another boosting tactic. But I would rather play against them willingly (or, when I feel like it) instead of when I'm looking for someone else.
If I know the skill of my opponent for sure, I'll choose whether or not I want to play them. Seeing some W/L record doesn't give me enough info.

What I think I'm getting at is, if I know they're a snaker before I turn the game on, the odds of me playing them ups. Or at least, that's what I'm trying to tell myself.

Pages: 1 2 3 4

Main - Gaming - So, Mario Kart DS did this...

New thread | New reply

Page rendered in 0.092 seconds. (322KB of memory used)
MySQL - queries: 87, rows: 115/116, time: 0.075 seconds.