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blacknemesis13
Posted on 06-16-07 12:08 AM (rev. 2 of 06-16-07 04:09 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 45960


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Anyone seen this yet? I'm about to go see it in a few hours. I thought the first one completely sucked and to be honest, I don't think I'm going to like this one either, especially considering all the bad reviews its gotten so far. But, I'm seeing it anyway. The previews look good, the plot seems better, and at least this time the whole movie shouldn't be "Wah I hate having super powers, lets just have the whole movie be about trying to get rid of them". I'm still expecting the characters to be just as whiny as in the first, but at least the premise is better, and the Silver Surfer looks awsome. Its been enough to spark my interest and curiosity at least, so I'm like "eh, I might like it". If anything it'll give me a reason to get out of the house tonight. I've been spending way too much time cooped up indoors lately.


Edit: Just came back. Wow, WAY better than I expected! Its not "OMG!! Super MUST SEE!! Fantastic AWESOME!!!!" but it's still a pretty good movie. While the first movie annoyed me to no end, there was only one thing that annoyed me about this one and thats just how science is used in the plot. There's the right way to do it (ie Star Trek and Star Wars and all other GOOD Sci-Fi) and then there's this way.

Granted, the film is supposed to be over the top, but whenever science is used to further the plot, they always come up with something completely unbelievably ridiculous and then try to make it sound scientifically solid without even trying.

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For instance, I don't care how smart Mr. Fantastic is, nobody is going to be able to build a sensor of that specification not to mention put the satellites in orbit needed for it, based on what little information they have on what the hell its even supposed to be tracking, let alone in less than a day. But what the hey, it is an over the top movie. It just seemed even more pointless when the whole thing was only built just so it could be destroyed as soon as it was done.

Now they also make fun of this in the movie, which normally makes up for anything idiotic by reminding the audience, "hey, its just a plot device" but then the way they do it pisses me off. There's always the tone of "Hur hur science is only for total geeks and losers who don't have a life" or "hey, look at us! We're using all these big words, so that makes us smart! LOL! Oh, nevermind that nothing we say makes any sense though, we know you're to stupid to understand anyway!"

Oh and then there's the one extremely dumb thing the military does, though I guess that's to be sort of expected in these type of films:

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WTF at giving who you know is a major villian who will backstab you at any second, access to an object capable of destroying entire planets? Did anyone just stop, actually think for a second, and think "Hey wait a minute, maybe this is a bad idea"? Not to mention, "hey, lets lock up the only guys who can help us at all. Gotta love the military always backing the wrong side without realizing it

Anyway, it not enough to ruin the film. Just to slightly urk me because that's what I happen to find irritating. Most people probably won't be bothered by it at all. It is a lot more of just CGI than full blown action sequences though. And there are many times the CGI looks obviously fake. But the scenes themselves are awesome so I didn't really care. Think Spider-man 3 almost in terms of action, except the action sequences aren't as jam packed, but they are slightly more frequent.

Anyway, I'm just nitpicking it right now. Way better than the first one. Definitely go see it if you're into the marvel superhero flicks.







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Posted on 06-16-07 05:49 PM Link | Quote | ID: 46095


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Waitwaitwait, is this the sequel to the first? Thye haven´t even started to mention it over here.

And the plotsummary at imdb.com is fucked up. First they say that
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Dr Doom is dead and then that he isn´t.


Hm, Galactus. This could be interesting. Yeah, I´m into marvel hero flicks so I´m gonna see this when it arrives here.

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Posted on 06-16-07 07:15 PM Link | Quote | ID: 46107


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Spoiler:
Yeah, Dr Doom comes back. They're forced to join forces with him. The first movie leaves off with you believing he's dead, but the surfer is able to resurrect him somehow

And yes this is the sequel to the first.

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Posted on 06-18-07 12:00 AM Link | Quote | ID: 46381


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It appears that they´ll start airing this movie the 17th of August over here. I wonder if I should go for the opening night.

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Posted on 06-18-07 12:56 AM Link | Quote | ID: 46389


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Eh, its a good movie, but not great. Not one I personally think is worth going through the effort to see a midnight showing of. I can see going to a midnight showing of Spider-Man 3, but this? Waiting until the afternoon the first day would be just as good (that's what I did). Of course, it depends on how badly you want to see it I guess.

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Posted on 06-18-07 05:02 AM Link | Quote | ID: 46452


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I'd probably give it a 6/10 or something. Nothing special at all.

Luckily I didn't go in expecting much like I did with X-Men 3 and or Spiderman 3, the decline in superhero movies has been pretty apparent. I'm hoping the next Batman, Iron Man, and so forth will fix this.

Anyways, about this movie since everyone must make a list, here's what I hated:
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- Jessica Alba looked like a freak through the entire thing.
- The Army was stupid, almost as pathetic as the Army was in Dragonball Z. Seriously, and how they teamed up with Doom? That was just stupid, either way Doom's entire character was ruined in this. He was pretty much pointless.
- Galactus was a cloud. I don't care about realism, look at how awesome he looked like in Marvel Ultimate Alliance. That and we didn't even get to hear him speak or anything. Sure he's seen as more of an entity than anything else, but seriously.
- Acting blowed. Not to mention the entire movie didn't seem to take itself that seriously at all.
- Definitely one of the most linear plots I've ever seen. When I walked out, I seriously felt like absolutely nothing happened. It just didn't seem to contain ... anything.


Silver Surfer was hands down the best part of this movie, but a lot of that was ruined because half of his cool scenes were already shown in commercials. Simply put this movie needed MORE Silver Surfer to be awesome.

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I personally didn't have a problem with

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Galactus being a cloud. But I know thats only because I'm not into anything marvel or superhero related at all outside of the movies. I'm sure had I seen Galactus before how he's supposed to be, I would have hated the cloud thing too.


When I see these movies, I see them having next to no knowledge of anything they are based off of beforehand. I see them purely as a movie made for entertainment value. On that level, I think most of the ones I've seen are pretty good. I don't really see these things with many expectations, but I can definitely see how anybody who's a fan of any of these stories before the movie would be let down by the movies.

These movies are made more to target the general public than the fanbase. And yeah, superhero movies tend to be best when they do take themselves seriously. This one didn't take itself seriously at all, but I was expecting that based off the first one. This movie wasn't as jokey as the first one, but its still pretty jokey compared to the other Marvel movies, and its still jokey enough to get on peoples nerves including mine.

Overall though, I'd say 7/10.

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Posted by Xeogred
Spoiler:
- Galactus was a cloud. I don't care about realism, look at how awesome he looked like in Marvel Ultimate Alliance. That and we didn't even get to hear him speak or anything. Sure he's seen as more of an entity than anything else, but seriously.


THANK YOU. The main reason I wanted to see this movie was this. This is just plain garbage in my book. Let's hope
Spoiler:
it was a spaceship, Galactus was inside the sun-thing, and the chick Human Torch likes becomes Nova and serves Galactus.

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