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HydraPheetz
Posted on 06-13-07 04:23 AM Link | Quote | ID: 44902


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Initially, when I was skimming across Slashdot, I had to do a double take to see if this was real. It is.

Now, I've been using Opera for the past year (Firefox/Mozilla/whatever before that), and I couldn't see any reason to switch from it. Even if Safari is comparable on this system to Opera. It should be noted that this is a public beta, not a final release. From what I've been reading, how well it runs and how stable it is tends to vary from system to system. YMMV.

EDIT: On the other hand, I only discovered while typing this that TEXTAREAS CAN BE RESIZED HOLY SHIT.

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Posted on 06-13-07 04:45 AM Link | Quote | ID: 44905


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Last view: 5554 days 		I'm curious about this. I use Safari for most of my browsing on my Mac and have firefox for the few sites that seem to hate Safari (anything on addictinggames slows down Safari to no end). How is the memory management on the beta, does it use up a ton of memory like iTunes does (iTunes on Mac uses considerably less memory than it does on PC: it uses 10% of my 1.33GHz PPC with a gig of ram while it uses upwards of 25% of my 3.4GHz P4 with a gig of ram). I'm waiting until I refresh my PC and until a more complete version of Safari comes out for windows until I try it out.

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Posted by Young Guru
I'm curious about this. I use Safari for most of my browsing on my Mac and have firefox for the few sites that seem to hate Safari (anything on addictinggames slows down Safari to no end). How is the memory management on the beta, does it use up a ton of memory like iTunes does (iTunes on Mac uses considerably less memory than it does on PC: it uses 10% of my 1.33GHz PPC with a gig of ram while it uses upwards of 25% of my 3.4GHz P4 with a gig of ram). I'm waiting until I refresh my PC and until a more complete version of Safari comes out for windows until I try it out.

Opera tends to have consisently less memory usage for me. I tend to limit usage in Opera, however, and I don't know if there's a SUPER SECRET CONFIGURATION PAGE ala Firefox and Opera's about:config. Then again, iTunes and the Safari beta on Windows both use non-native widget toolkits, which is where the extra memory usage is more than likely coming from.

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Posted on 06-13-07 09:15 PM Link | Quote | ID: 45042

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What's next, IE 7 for Mac?

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Posted on 06-13-07 09:33 PM Link | Quote | ID: 45049


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There was Internet Explorer for Mac at one time. I think it was 3.01 or something.

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I would say the reason there is a Safari for Windows is development. I know, I know, Steve Jobs did mention Market Share during WWDC, and that might be some of it, but I think it's more development.

One of the key features of the iPhone is the ability for it to use web applications in Safari. But not everyone who develops for the iPhone will be on Macintosh.

At any rate, I'd hold off seriously using it for the moment. There are some vulnerabilities in it and some weirdness (it is a beta). I also hear it's not fond of things like proxy authentication.

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Posted on 06-14-07 12:16 AM Link | Quote | ID: 45122


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Last view: 6106 days 		As Tarale mentioned, it will be much easier to get websites to work in more browsers for windows users. Even tho some sites tend to show up different on different OS's in the same browser (this I belive has to do with standard font for example). But now windows users don't have to find someone who uses Mac to test their site in safari.

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All I wanted to do was view a fucking screenshot or two. Apple can kiss my ass.

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Posted on 06-14-07 03:12 AM (rev. 2 of 06-14-07 03:33 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 45205


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Posted by David Maynor, the security consultant who found the first bugs told PC World
"I can't speak for anybody else, but the bugs found in the beta copy of Safari on Windows work on the production copy on OS X as well," he said in a posting on the Errata site. "The exploit is robust mostly thanks to the lack of any kind of advanced security features in [Mac] OS X."


Ow... poor mac..

Yeah.. read the story...

Edit: More issue coverage, and proof that it is in the MAC version of the broswer...

And another one as a bonus...

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Posted on 06-14-07 07:48 PM Link | Quote | ID: 45599


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(And besides, it's just a beta... It's not perfect.)

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Posted on 06-14-07 08:12 PM (rev. 2 of 06-14-07 08:17 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 45618


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I think the program is cool just because it makes your PC look just like a Mac while you use it. So you get all the cool OS-X stuff without actually needing to install Mac OS-X.

As for the browser itself, it needs more work. It needs to support the wheel button, and internet navigation buttons which appear on some keyboards and mouses.

As another plus... You know those Mac-Os style buttons? They are windows. They have the same window class as a standard button. In fact, if you use a program like Enabler2 to enable/disable the buttons, they briefly turn into Windows XP style buttons!

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I did state that there were vulnerabilities. While I do think that it is important that they are acknowledged and that people know about them, I do not appreciate the sardonic tone, Darkdata.

I take it you are an Apple hater? You and others like you (e.g. Linux haters, Microsoft haters, etc) would do best to keep any caustic comments to yourself. Disliking something is fine, but given the ability for some of these things to become arguments, I would prefer to see some maturity and tact.

I do hope these vulnerabilities are resolved swiftly. The most recent version of Safari also fixes a good many things. One of these is something I deal with at work, so I am happy to see improvement.

I also did not notice when I did my testing earlier, but I hear that Safari uses Apple's sub-pixel rendering style on text even in Windows? I shall check later.

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Posted on 06-14-07 10:34 PM (rev. 2 of 06-14-07 10:42 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 45680


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Posted by Tarale
I did state that there were vulnerabilities. While I do think that it is important that they are acknowledged and that people know about them


When asked about the vulnerabilities, Apple refused to comment.


There was no mention of any exploits, any pending patches, warnings, nothing, on the Safari page when these were discovered (and a few days after. It might be changed now, but it wasn't this morning).

When you're notified of a system-controlling exploit, the first hting you do is either notify the users via the webpage or just take the download down until it can be patched.

Apple did neither for a good two days (mabye more, depending). For that, I don't give a shit what anyone thinks, Apple deserves to be smacked around for it.


In other news, I don't care enough to have the Shitty Mac-OS Theme on my laptop, so I won't bother getting it.

I like my programs, you know, normal. Opera suits me very nicely.




Performance measured in seconds. Testing conducted by Apple in June 2007 on a 2.16GHz Intel Core 2 Duo-based iMac system running Windows XP Professional SP2, configured with 1GB of RAM and an ATI Radeon X1600 with 128MB of VRAM. HTML and JavaScript benchmarks based on VeriTest’s iBench Version 5.0 using default settings. Testing conducted with a beta version of Safari; all other browsers were shipping versions. Performance will vary based on system configuration, network connection, and other factors.
I like how they seem to have only tested on one system, and I wouldn't doubt it at all if they had customly tweaked their "beta browser" to work faster specifically in those areas (after all, disable what isn't needed and whoosh! faster!)


Elegant user interface.

Safari’s clean, sleek look lets you focus on the web instead of your browser. The browser frame is a mere one pixel wide. You see a scroll bar only when you need one. You see no status bar by default — a blue progress bar fills the address field as the page loads — giving you more room to browse and view the web.
I never got this idea, supposedly having a completely different, non-standard look for a browser suddenly makes it clean and sleek? What the fuck?


SnapBack.

With most browsers, it’s easy to lose your way on the web. You go surfing, and before you know it, you’ve drifted far from where you started. Stop hitting the Back button and start using SnapBack in Safari. SnapBack lets you instantly snap back to your original search results or to the top level of any website, even after you’ve browsed down a few levels.


We're sorry, but your browser failed. Please try again after making it suck less.

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No, I do think that Apple should be held accountable for errors, just as any other software company is, Xkeeper. However, I do not believe that that this "accountability" by Apple gives licence to users of the forum to post general anti-software-company comments in such a way as to invite argument.

My point was simply that given that we KNOW that operating systems / the companies that make them are contentious issues, we should NOT invite said argument and post with some tact.



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Posted on 06-15-07 12:01 AM (rev. 3 of 06-15-07 12:04 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 45709

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Posted by Xkeeper
In other news, I don't care enough to have the Shitty Mac-OS Theme on my laptop, so I won't bother getting it.
I don't think that the Mac OS X theme is crappy, but on the other hand I don't either like when programs suddenly use a different look and feel than the standard one. It tends to look out of place most of the time. Hell, when we made a java application in a school project first thing we made sure was the the GUI would set itself to the host OS look and feel.

I might give it a try later, when they fixed the security related bugs. Yes Windows have a flawed security design, but that's no excuse to release buggy software. :/ Though I always viewed Safari as "Konquerer for Mac"...

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I was coming here to point out a security vulnerability that every modern browser except Konqueror is affected by.

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Posted by joe
Funny you should mention Konqueror...

I was coming here to point out a security vulnerability that every modern browser except Konqueror is affected by.
Nice blank page.

Oh wait, it requires you to have Javascript enabled, which I leave off unless I need it.

Oh well.

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Posted by Tarale
I did state that there were vulnerabilities. While I do think that it is important that they are acknowledged and that people know about them, I do not appreciate the sardonic tone, Darkdata.

I take it you are an Apple hater? You and others like you (e.g. Linux haters, Microsoft haters, etc) would do best to keep any caustic comments to yourself. Disliking something is fine, but given the ability for some of these things to become arguments, I would prefer to see some maturity and tact.


Ah, yes. Maybe I went a little overboard. It is not apple I hate, it is just the obsession that what appears to be 89.67% of the fans of it on the internet go to. Any blog post comparing Anti-Virus programs, the words "lol mac's don't get virus" or a variant appear. The same is true for any windows flaw, spyware, and other stuff.

It just annoys me so much, that a small slap in the face makes me smile.

Mac systems, have in my thoughts, the "firefox effect". In which, while it is not mass popular it is safe, however as it gets more popular, flaws and risks are developed/found for it.

But that just might me crazy old me.

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Posted by joe
Funny you should mention Konqueror...

I was coming here to point out a security vulnerability that every modern browser except Konqueror is affected by.
Nice blank page.

Oh wait, it requires you to have Javascript enabled, which I leave off unless I need it.

Oh well.
And my noscript extension turns off javascript for every site expect for a few whitelisted ones.

...so nothing happened to my Firefox. Most browser security flaws on most browsers are usually related to javascript. :/

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