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Posted on 06-11-07 10:31 AM Link | Quote | ID: 44501


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* Get computer with XP, or get a recovery disk with Vista on it
* Reformat, split HDD into two chunks, mabye three for "shit on both"
* Install XP on one
* Install Vista on the other


Vista will add another option for "Previous OS", so you can dual boot easily. I did it with my grandparents' computer.


Personally Vista isn't so bad, but it does need work, like every other OS known to man. Just be patient and wait for a service pack to come out.

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Dual booting is a very good idea if you think you will actually boot into both operating systems and work things out.

Personally if there is any sense of things being mission critical then I would stick with the mature operating system (XP). Vista will take a little more time.

If things are not mission critical and/or you feel adventurous, Ubuntu Linux is quite a well done, usable Linux distribution that you may enjoy. Using a Linux distribution is also a great learning experience, and if you wish to pursue a career in Information Technology may be quite a worthwhile experience.

Likewise if things are not mission critical then you may find no disadvantages in using Vista.

If things are mission critical another option I would recommend is a Macintosh (and Parallels) if you are interested. OS X 10.4 (Tiger) is a mature operating system also having been out two years, with many of the features that you will also find in Vista. Parallels is virtualisation software which will allow you to also run Windows or Linux.

The myth that Apple computers are "expensive" is just that -- a myth -- but I see why it exists. If you actually compare similar, comparable computers, Apple compares very very well price-wise to very similar PC hardware. The problem is that there is a limited range of Apple computers and so there are occasions where there is a suitable PC solution for a user and no similar comparable Apple one.

As for my earlier statements about Linux being a valuable learning experience, I will repeat that about Mac OS X. If you are interested in Information Technology as a career it may be in your interest to make yourself familiar with as many operating systems as you can -- you never know when you may wish to apply for a fantastic job which has Macintosh or Linux requirements.

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Posted on 06-14-07 11:03 PM (rev. 2 of 06-14-07 11:05 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 45691


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Posted by Tarale
The myth that Apple computers are "expensive" is just that -- a myth -- but I see why it exists. If you actually compare similar, comparable computers, Apple compares very very well price-wise to very similar PC hardware.


Posted by Annoying Apple store website
13" screen
2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
1GB memory
80GB hard drive1
Combo drive
Ships: Within 24 hours
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$1,099.00


I'm running a 1.8GHz with 512 MB (adding 1GB ~= 150$), 80G HDD, DVD+R burner with a ginormous screen (like, 1440x900 jumobotron, fits a complete numpad too)... and it put me out about $900.

Mine doesn't overheat and cook eggs, though

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I would need more information to know if you are making a fair comparison or not, Xkeeper.

Anyway, I just think it's extremely disempowering to cut yourself off from any one operating system. By doing that, that's one tool you effectively have no access to thanks only to your mind and belief set.

While this might not bother you too much for personal use, particularly when you have comparable tools available to you, I think it's silly if you want to pursue a career in computing.

I am finding more and more mixed systems in my day to day work. If you are a Microsoft fanboy you might be lucky and find a one-eyed Microsoft fanboy business to work for, but chances are nowadays you may be expected to deal with Macintoshes, or Linux computers too. By having cut yourself off from those tools by a mindset, someone without that mindset then has an advantage in getting that job over you...

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Posted by Tarale
I would need more information to know if you are making a fair comparison or not, Xkeeper.
Too bad. Apple's "we only deal with morons who don't want to actually know how things run" mindset is nice enough to only give that much information without having to do a lot of digging ("Select" just takes you to CUSTOMIZE YOUR MAC ONE STEP AT A TIME!, thanks but no)

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I would need more information to know if you are making a fair comparison or not, Xkeeper.
Too bad. Apple's "we only deal with morons who don't want to actually know how things run" mindset is nice enough to only give that much information without having to do a lot of digging ("Select" just takes you to CUSTOMIZE YOUR MAC ONE STEP AT A TIME!, thanks but no)


Funny, I've never had to do a lot of digging to find out detailed specs.

I think someone has a bit of a disempowering mindset problem

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I've had enough of dealing with Apple's site in general ("let's make everything fade and slowly transform into what it should be, hurhrurhuruhrurh") to go digging past the initial equipment list.

I can find detailed specs ont he main product page with any other site I buy from. Why should Apple be any different? It just makes it much more complicated (and goddamn annoying) to look up details.

Then again, they know anyone who buys Apple products will always buy them, so they can afford to do this shit.

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I've had enough of dealing with Apple's site in general ("let's make everything fade and slowly transform into what it should be, hurhrurhuruhrurh") to go digging past the initial equipment list.

I can find detailed specs ont he main product page with any other site I buy from. Why should Apple be any different? It just makes it much more complicated (and goddamn annoying) to look up details.

Then again, they know anyone who buys Apple products will always buy them, so they can afford to do this shit.


That is a fairly unfair set of generalisations. Different manufacturers display their product information (and entire website) differently, some better than others, some worse. Likewise, some people find some websites usable and others don't.

And I would not say that "anyone who buys Apple products will always buy them" either. The "Switchers" go both ways, you know This said, Apple do enjoy a remarkably loyal userbase, and there is a reason for that. Apple's products are "right" for those people / companies.

Settle down, Xk. It's not worth getting so cranky about.

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If compatibility was the main issue, then Windows XP is the way to go. Vista is still under "testing"... sort of "public beta" (like in MMORPG) where they are still collecting feedback from users worldwide (although they claimed it was completed... *coughcompatibilitycough* ). Until they release a service pack for it, better stand away from Vista for now

However, I had been using Vista for 3 months; nothing funky happening and the installation went on easily as my lappie manufacturer (Asus) provided all the latest driver for it. And I had helped my friend to install it on her desktop as well, but some driver issue on the soundcard though

Anyway, for me, I'm still sticking with XP on my desktop, since I won't want to have any compatibiliy issues with software (especially games! )...

OT: I'm not a M$ fanboy (err... girl?) but then again, Mac doesn't seems appealing to me. I like the appearance/design of it gadgets, but when comes to detailed specs of a computer, Mac just doesn't worth the price. For the same price, I could get a better PC specs.

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Ignore me if this has been changed.

Windows Vista displays a metric shit-ton of warnings every time you install a program that's not Microsoft Approved. You can turn these warnings off very easily. However, the average shmuck using Vista is never going to get past the warning saying that the program you wrote could be a virus.

This is basically a gigantic knife in the back for every independent software developer.

Personally, I won't be using Vista, out of protest.

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I wont be using Vista out of "I can't afford the shit and there is no point to pirating a shitty OS when there are tons of great free ones"

unless it somehow gets insanely popular and I get a job developing vista software for good money, then fuck yeah I'm going to use it.

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Posted by Reinfors
Vista is still under "testing"... sort of "public beta" (like in MMORPG) where they are still collecting feedback from users worldwide (although they claimed it was completed... *coughcompatibilitycough* ).
I'm gonna play Devil's advocate here. You do realize that it's absolutely impossible for them to test Vista with every piece of software on the market on every possible configuration, right? It's not even possible to check for every possible bug in what's written... Hence why almost every piece of software, no matter how many decades of internal testing they undergo, will still have patches released assuming they're developed by someone who cares. Doesn't make the released version any less complete.

I do however agree with the assertion that it would probably be better to stick with XP for the time being.

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Posted by Reinfors
Vista is still under "testing"... sort of "public beta" (like in MMORPG) where they are still collecting feedback from users worldwide (although they claimed it was completed... *coughcompatibilitycough* ).
I'm gonna play Devil's advocate here. You do realize that it's absolutely impossible for them to test Vista with every piece of software on the market on every possible configuration, right? It's not even possible to check for every possible bug in what's written... Hence why almost every piece of software, no matter how many decades of internal testing they undergo, will still have patches released assuming they're developed by someone who cares. Doesn't make the released version any less complete.

I do however agree with the assertion that it would probably be better to stick with XP for the time being.
True, but they did claimed Vista will not have any backward-campatibility problems Consumers will bear with them if they could just state it clear enough (well.. you know... there are many kind of fussy consumers... )

setz: Well, soon enough Vista will become a common OS just like XP, maybe in 1~2 years time I haven't tried any free OS before... but my Vista and XP were free one *coughpiratedcough*

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