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 CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 406/5344 EXP: 30959641 Next: 703340 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4504 days Last view: 2639 days |
I suggest we shut the hell up for a while and let both parties' arguments sink in, okay? Who'se with me? ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks  — byuu |
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 Cheep-cheep Level: 32 Posts: 156/189 EXP: 205938 Next: 504 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 6007 days Last view: 5999 days |
Posted by Kyoufu Kawa This is probably the best thing to do. This solution for the win. |
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 The Guardian Moloch whose eyes are a thousand blind windows! Level: 124 Posts: 251/4196 EXP: 21543219 Next: 293382 Since: 02-19-07 From: Ithaca, NY, US Last post: 477 days Last view: 90 days |
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Level: 105 Posts: 2512/2846 EXP: 12033982 Next: 228278 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 6066 days Last view: 2803 days |
Posted by blackhole89 Different things call for different implementations. My way still has several advantages (clearing out the edit database is one query, easy to back up without needing a complex export query) as well as shorter, easier-to-understand queries for the database that remove complication in the event something else there is changed. I am not calling this a "brand new feature" -- this feature itself is a "silly hack" (record post edits, nothing else) and should have no effect on the rest of the board and should be easily removed and togglable. My solution takes care of that, by making the edit data easily removed or disabled. At least keep a backup that I can revert back to, so that I can do the right thing -- tweak the code you added so it works better and under these principles -- rather than recode everything myself. Your design works but is flawed ... However, this is the exact reason I never fixed it. Dealing with drama like this is annoying, frustrating, and is making me just want to give up administartion of this forum in its entirety. ____________________ I dealt with it. |
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 Panser Level: 42 Posts: 194/348 EXP: 513101 Next: 8261 Since: 03-26-07 Last post: 4167 days Last view: 2118 days |
I admit the inability to code, despite a little admin experience. Tinkering in Acmlmboard on my server didn't get far. User registration was broken.
A possible overall issue with AB-based forums is that virtually anyone can start however many they want, and make their changes proprietary. The number of old, yet well-known, exploits doesn't help either. ____________________  |
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... Level: 73 Posts: 1085/1220 EXP: 3368401 Next: 117467 Since: 03-25-07 From: no Last post: 6097 days Last view: 6081 days |
I read in the MySQL manual that the biggest performance hit is seeking the disk to find the beginning of a row, and reading a large row is not such a big deal. They specifically pointed out that you're better to avoid a second seek by storing the metadata and big text blocks together instead of putting the text in a second table. As I understand, this was the way to go with older versions, but newer ones have improved to the point where it's no longer necessary. |
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 Red Koopa Level: 28 Posts: 110/139 EXP: 129889 Next: 1449 Since: 02-19-07 From: Rochester, NY Last post: 5801 days Last view: 5707 days |
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Only on this forum can people leave over HOW A FUCKING FORUM IS CODED. For fucks sake, it's a message board, implement whatever's more optimized and don't touch the shit again till it's broke. They work the same, don't they? blackhole hosts this board for free, so I think if you're running code on his server, and his is more optimized, and has a lighter load ON HIS SERVER, then I think it's entirely fair for his method to be implemented. Mind you, this doesn't mean he has control over how the board is run, but he has the right to say what kind of code he wants run on his server. Xkeeper, your method is more human-readable, but what does it do? It adds a whole new table, adding more clutter to sift through when that clutter does not need to exist. This may be a viable method for yourself, but what about the server? As a general rule, if I wanted to look at previous edits of a post, I'd make something like "edithistory.php." And, by all means, regardless of its implementation, wouldn't this script display the same exact data? When you implement features, you want to be as optimized as possible. If blackhole's implementation is more optimized from a coding perspective, then that should be implemented, and you should write said edit history viewing script. Besides that, it's clear that you understand both methods sufficiently - when you have a script that interprets the data for you, it doesn't really MATTER how it looks when it's stored in the SQL tables, as long as it operates as fast as it possibly can. Secondly (and this is sort of unrelated), Xkeeper, this is just something I've noticed, but you need to show a bit more respect to your server admins. I'm not saying ||bass was some innocent dude who did nothing and randomly decided to take over the old boards, but I think the disrespect you show for your server admins really has a lot to do with the arguments that keep stirring up, and eventually causing something rash to happen. If you want to be your own server admin, then get your own server and host yourself, but until then, you NEED to listen to the people who keep this site on the internet. I'm not big on your whole situation, but from what I can see, nobody respects anybody over the stupidest goddamn things. Seriously, this should be far from an issue. If blackhole starts randomly banning people and fucking with the site as he pleases randomly, then you have grounds to be angry, but I really don't see why blackhole can't choose what method is better for his server, especially when it's functionally the same. ____________________
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 Snifit Level: 40 Posts: 153/299 EXP: 409791 Next: 31518 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 4286 days Last view: 2172 days |
Tweaker, it's funny how wrong you are.
How much space something takes up on a server does not mean it will take more of a load on the server. Either way, it's the same data, whether it be in two or three tables. Technically, Xkeeper's way would make there be less load on the server from not having to sift through all those edits just to find the most recent post. Also, having an extra table doesn't even take up that much more space, as long as, like I said, it shares the same data. Following your "let's make there be less data" attitudes, why not just through everything in one huge table, and make a field like for example "indentifier" as to define whether it's a forum, thread, post, user, etc. Exactly, it just doesn't make sense. And also, each table needs different fields. In fact, edits need different fields than `posts_text` does. Edits need time, and maybe if they store what user edited it, but for `posts_text`, that information is stored in `posts`. The only way that logically makes sense is to either: Follow Xkeeper's method exactly OR Forget `posts_text`. Just store the text in there with `posts`, and have the other information for edits in `edits`. That way, you only need to select from one table to get the most recent post, and you have the added benefit of still only using 2 tables. |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 407/5344 EXP: 30959641 Next: 703340 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4504 days Last view: 2639 days |
Okay you guys. Thread's over.
People agree that
We dutch people have a saying, "schoenmaker, blijf bij je leest". Basically means that you should know your role in the scheme of things and stick to that. ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
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Hats Steam Board2 group Level: 121 Posts: 1039/3965 EXP: 19788553 Next: 268143 Since: 02-19-07 From: Sweden, Skåne Last post: 3307 days Last view: 2058 days |
Posted by TweakerNo that's not the only reason. I'm just tired on how XK acts like he's the only guy right around here. And I no longer feel wanted here around anymore for stating my opinion, so I see no reason to hang around. ____________________ AIM: gamefreak1337, MSN: Emil_sim@spray.se, XMPP: ailure@xmpp.kafuka.org
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The Guardian Moloch whose eyes are a thousand blind windows! Level: 124 Posts: 252/4196 EXP: 21543219 Next: 293382 Since: 02-19-07 From: Ithaca, NY, US Last post: 477 days Last view: 90 days |
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