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 Cape Luigi Level: 131 Posts: 880/4792 EXP: 26253402 Next: 171218 Since: 03-15-07 Last post: 3745 days Last view: 3657 days |
Posted by Squash MonsterLies. I like strategy games and play both WC3 and SC. ____________________ |
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Level: 46 Posts: 90/416 EXP: 672712 Next: 39062 Since: 02-20-07 Last post: 4396 days Last view: 3104 days |
I resent Starcraft being called a strategy game.
It's a tactics game, through and through. |
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 Red Goomba Level: 16 Posts: 10/40 EXP: 19994 Next: 262 Since: 04-01-07 Last post: 5247 days Last view: 3025 days |
Posted by Xenesis But you use strategic tactics. So it's both. |
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Done. Level: 79 Posts: 614/1471 EXP: 4473527 Next: 105940 Since: 02-19-07 From: ??? Last post: 6097 days Last view: 6090 days |
So true... |
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 Bloober Level: 47 Posts: 202/444 EXP: 740133 Next: 26070 Since: 03-20-07 Last post: 5441 days Last view: 5832 days |
Posted by Xenesis I am slightly confused as to what you mean, but if you mean to say that Starcraft is all about economy management and build order, and macromanagement over micromanagement, then you are wrong and are probably playing too many shitty $$$FASTEST BGH MONEY MAP EVER$$$ games. I don't have this replay anymore, but I remember when slayers~boxer was facing impending doom at the hands of a battle cruiser fleet all stacked overtop each other (thus making them almost impossible to target), and he pulled victory from the jaws of defeat by miraculously lockdowning 9 or so of them in under a second. There's other examples (IE how to control your marines in a semicircle so they all fire at once, as opposed to having them march single file to their death) but I think that should be sufficient. |
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Level: 46 Posts: 91/416 EXP: 672712 Next: 39062 Since: 02-20-07 Last post: 4396 days Last view: 3104 days |
You've got it arse-backwards.
Tactics = Micro Strategy = Macro. Starcraft is all about Micro. |
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Bloober Level: 47 Posts: 207/444 EXP: 740133 Next: 26070 Since: 03-20-07 Last post: 5441 days Last view: 5832 days |
Posted by Xenesis ...I really don't see how you can make this claim either. I think economics (Ie when to expand, what to build in what amounts) does make up a large part of the game; a player who can use all his income will generally fare much better than a player who cannot properly spend the same income. I'm curious as how you're going to try and defend this. Explain. |
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 Buzzy Beetle Level: 44 Posts: 312/389 EXP: 608354 Next: 2931 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 6178 days Last view: 5941 days |
In the case of the nukes in Starcraft I'm going to have to take the nerd crown.
It was actually a storyline sort of deal. The nuclear weapons in the game are all tactical battlefield delpoyment nukes. Strategic nuclear weapons are not made. Read the back story, y'all! Anyways, you have no idea how psyched I am for more information. Fuck the game, half people on this board may lose their virginity before it comes out...I'll be more than happy of 5 years of hell with a slow trickle of new info. It'll also give me time to rob banks all over some rich country to buy a computer good enough to play it. Also, kekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekeke |
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 Fuzzy Level: 60 Posts: 527/778 EXP: 1720698 Next: 52080 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 2501 days Last view: 1662 days |
Posted by XenesisBass-Ackwards? 
Anyways... I really should find my SC CDs and reinstall... I need to refamiliarize myself with the gameplay within the next... 8 months or so
Also Agreed...  ____________________  |
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Bloober Level: 47 Posts: 209/444 EXP: 740133 Next: 26070 Since: 03-20-07 Last post: 5441 days Last view: 5832 days |
Posted by Ziff this statement may require rethinking |
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Buzzy Beetle Level: 44 Posts: 319/389 EXP: 608354 Next: 2931 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 6178 days Last view: 5941 days |
Posted by witeasprinwowPosted by Ziff Lies and slander! To smear Blizzard by saying that they may "rush" their project... For shame, clearly ye be an agent of that dastardly opposing Rts. Tsk, tsk. Second-guessing Blizzard? Boo! |
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Cape Luigi Level: 131 Posts: 887/4792 EXP: 26253402 Next: 171218 Since: 03-15-07 Last post: 3745 days Last view: 3657 days |
Posted by ZiffBlizzard? "Rush" something? ...Posted by witeasprinwowPosted by Ziff AHAHAHAHA Yes, 8 years is so rushed, they should've waited another 12.  ____________________ |
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Level: 75 Posts: 1098/1301 EXP: 3720732 Next: 106172 Since: 02-19-07 From: Canada |
Protip:
Every Blizzard game has been really good. |
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Level: 46 Posts: 92/416 EXP: 672712 Next: 39062 Since: 02-20-07 Last post: 4396 days Last view: 3104 days |
Posted by witeasprinwowPosted by Xenesis Resource management will always be important to a degree. In any game with resources. A player in Starcraft with superb micromanagement skills will always be far more efficient than those with average micromanagement skills and good economic skills. Strong management of skills like Lockdown, Psionic Storm, etc. while manoeuvring troops, detectors, etc. tends to win the skirmishes and allow more economic harassment. A good micromanager inflicts untold damage in comparison to a poor one. Making up for economic disadvantages.
Eg, this was my point. It's more than enough to counter the fact that the enemy might have an extra zealot or two. |
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Bloober Level: 47 Posts: 213/444 EXP: 740133 Next: 26070 Since: 03-20-07 Last post: 5441 days Last view: 5832 days |
Posted by Xenesis I think you're underestimating the importance of macro. I agree that if the only difference is a zealot or two then micro is more important, but that's assuming both players are about just as good at managing their economies as each other. There's a lot of questions - when to expand, how many unit makers to build, when to upgrade and what, what kinds of units to create - that fall under macro that are still important. Not that I don't agree that good micro can turn the tide of the game... But say in a game where a good micro but bad macro player is pitted against a bad micro but good macro player; I don't think either of them has a clear advantage. |
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 Red Koopa Level: 28 Posts: 95/139 EXP: 129922 Next: 1416 Since: 02-21-07 Last post: 6098 days Last view: 6006 days |
I usually get trounced soundly because my macro is somewhat poor. My micro isn't pro level or anything, but it's pretty good, and is clearly not my weak point.
Macro > Micro, in general. It doesn't matter if you can kill a zealot with two marines if the enemy has as many zealots as you have marines. It also doesn't matter if you can kill a zealot with two marines if the enemy decided to build dark templars. |
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Buzzy Beetle Level: 44 Posts: 320/389 EXP: 608354 Next: 2931 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 6178 days Last view: 5941 days |
Posted by NightKevPosted by ZiffBlizzard? "Rush" something? ...Posted by witeasprinwowPosted by Ziff Blizzard has a reputation for constantly taking it slow!? Did you find that out on your own? |
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Bloober Level: 47 Posts: 215/444 EXP: 740133 Next: 26070 Since: 03-20-07 Last post: 5441 days Last view: 5832 days |
Posted by Ziff Your clever sarcasm has no place here, Ziff. |
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Buzzy Beetle Level: 44 Posts: 321/389 EXP: 608354 Next: 2931 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 6178 days Last view: 5941 days |
I am going to use my arbiter to drop dragoons all over your room while you sleep. |
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Cape Luigi Level: 131 Posts: 894/4792 EXP: 26253402 Next: 171218 Since: 03-15-07 Last post: 3745 days Last view: 3657 days |
I'll nuke you first.
*dvvoooo* *beeep* "Nuclear launch detected." *15 seconds later* *BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM* 
Also, on topic... Starcraft is tactics + strategy. Both. ____________________ |
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