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 Paragoomba Level: 21 Posts: 46/66 EXP: 42447 Next: 7496 Since: 03-09-07 Last post: 6129 days Last view: 6120 days |
Posted by TweakerPosted by iamstillhiro1112 Well, you know what I meant. As for passing tests and so on, I do think it's BS, and the opinion is shared with others. If you don't agree then that is your opinion and typing in strong words doesn't make your opinion fact. My point is that tests and tests weeds out all kinds of individuals, not just the ones you hate. And as for other people sharing my opinion making me right. I would say no, but it shows that I'm not the lone individual who feels a certain way. |
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Hats Steam Board2 group Level: 121 Posts: 798/3965 EXP: 19794280 Next: 262416 Since: 02-19-07 From: Sweden, Skåne Last post: 3311 days Last view: 2062 days |
OhgodcanyoupeopletakeittoPM'spleasethxbye. ____________________ AIM: gamefreak1337, MSN: Emil_sim@spray.se, XMPP: ailure@xmpp.kafuka.org
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| drjayphd |
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 Cheep-cheep Level: 32 Posts: 77/181 EXP: 193049 Next: 13393 Since: 02-20-07 Last post: 6107 days Last view: 2894 days |
iamstillhiro? Tweaker? GET A ROOM. 
As for the leak, hoo-fuckin'-ray. The real value's in having the physical prototype, not the contents thereof. So long as people are willing to pay out the ass for the proto, who gives a shit if the ROM gets dumped and leaked? It's not even like you could say anything better than "e-peener++" about having owned the prototype, at one point, and not letting the ROM out. Jesu Cristo, grow up and stop flexing nuts. |
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 Mole Level: 42 Posts: 305/351 EXP: 521338 Next: 24 Since: 02-19-07 From: Massachusetts Last post: 5975 days Last view: 5411 days |
Posted by drjayphdEXACTLY. The proto doesn't loose its value just because the ROM is distributed freely. When I bought Final Fantasy VI (well, III since I got the SNES version) a few years ago, it was priced pretty hefty--in fact, more than I paid for the damn SNES (used, it was 32 bucks, the game was around 60, I THINK. Can't really remember, it was pricey though). My point is that game was still pricey because its a very sought after game for oldschool gamers/collectors. The fact that anyone can just download the ROM of that game wasn't going to make these people lower the price. And its the same with these protos, their collector's value is still there, since anyone can get the ROM but only so many people can say they have the cartridge itself. And really, when you just hoard the ROM, its like drjay said, nut flexing ;x |
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Level: 105 Posts: 1674/2846 EXP: 12037465 Next: 224795 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 6069 days Last view: 2807 days |
Prototype carts do lose their value when dumped and released,a ctually, because anyone with an EPROM can make their own, so it's a lot harder to tell if you're a fake or not... not to mention that the lack of "only one in the world who can play it" factor is lost. ____________________ I dealt with it. |
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Cheep-cheep Level: 32 Posts: 79/181 EXP: 193049 Next: 13393 Since: 02-20-07 Last post: 6107 days Last view: 2894 days |
Posted by Xkeeper Eh, it's not like the prototypes come with certificates of authenticity. Still, how many people out there own EPROM burners, can make fake carts, and would do so? As for the specialness... "e-peener++". Who would really worship you for hoarding it, as opposed to thinking you're a dick? |
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Level: 32 Posts: 8/178 EXP: 188176 Next: 18266 Since: 02-26-07 Last post: 2227 days Last view: 2152 days |
Seriously, many of you people are morons. People collect things, and one of the thrills about collecting is having a unique item that other people do not have. Rare collectibles are prized, and you don't get much rarer than a prototype when it comes to video games. Additionally, when a prototype hasn't been dumped, the game is instantly more desireable to those people who are interested in dumping and releasing ROMs to the public, as well as to other collectors who want the thrill of owning one of the few copies.
Collectors typically don't want their prototypes dumped and distributed because it makes them instantly worth less. This is unappealing to someone who spent a considerable amount of money to obtain this rare item. The owner of the SMB2 prototype was a bit better about this than most collectors and let his prototype be dumped so that it could be studied, and eventually he may have released the ROM. If it all worked out and the collector walked away from the whole thing happy in the end, this might have given other collectors who are worried about the ROM of their game falling into the wrong hands a bit more reason to have their prototypes dumped for preservation and study, but assholes like Tweaker had to fuck things up and fuck over the person who was nice enough to allow people to PRESERVE the rare game that he spent a considerable sum of money on. Tweaker, maybe many people who had the ROM shouldn't have had the ROM, but that is no excuse for YOU to be the one who gave it to everyone. You made a shitty move and have hurt the chances of future prototypes being dumped. The owner of the prototype does not owe any of you anything, and it is his right as owner of the game to determine if he wants to have the game distributed or not. He can hoard all he wants, and while you may be unhappy with that, that is his right as owner of the game. By distributing it, he is actually breaking the law, which is even more incentive to 'hoard'. As it is, this is theft of backup copies of a game he owns, which is incredibly lame given that he was trusting enough to have the ROM dumped and given to a select few people. Tweaker, you're an asshole. |
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Cheep-cheep Level: 32 Posts: 80/181 EXP: 193049 Next: 13393 Since: 02-20-07 Last post: 6107 days Last view: 2894 days |
Posted by NetSplit So it's more valuable, in part, because a group of people you'll never sell it to want it. Therein comes the "lording over everyone else", which brings us to "e-peener++". Posted by NetSplit I'd love to cut out the ad hominems here, but there's good points in here. No, the original owner didn't owe it to anyone to release the ROM. Sure, on a selfish level, I'm happy it got leaked, but I'm not going to say it was the right thing to do. Eh, maybe I'm the weird one for not collecting things that'll go down that far in value because someone let the contents free, but for (not exclusively) going for things that are already frolicking freely. That said, if you're going to tee off on anyone like that, take it to PM already. Or are we just going to sit here and open fire on someone because he happens to be there and he did something unpopular? |
| Thexare Blademoon |
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Cheep-cheep Level: 32 Posts: 106/180 EXP: 191455 Next: 14987 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 5974 days Last view: 5966 days |
Posted by NetSplit So, in other words... Posted by drjayphd Call me a moron if you want, but you're not changing my opinion. You think I care about value dropping from this? Fuck no. Nearly everything loses value. The DS Lite that cost me $130 a few weeks ago will likely be worth $40 in five years. The Xbox that cost me $120 about two years ago (or three?) is already worth about $60. Value drops. But the thing is, I don't care. I don't care that everything I have is gradually becoming less valuable as time goes on, in part because there's not a goddamn thing I can do about it and in part because the monetary value of something doesn't matter except to selfish braggarts and people seeking a profit. I'd assume a collector is unlikely to sell a "rare item" such as this, so that narrows it down a bit, doesn't it? Now, there's two points of pride that you reference. One, the rarity of the cartridge. Two, the value of the cartridge. The former is not affected - copies might be made, but they're just that - copies, not the real thing. The latter is irrelevant unless someone just wants something to brag about or is seeking to profit off it (and therefore is likely not a collector) |
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Cheep-cheep Level: 32 Posts: 17/189 EXP: 205996 Next: 446 Since: 02-19-07 From: Brooklyn, NY Last post: 5042 days Last view: 2670 days |
There are millions of Nintendo DSes across the world, and more being manufactured every day. There is only one SMB2 prototype.
Why would the value of the SMB2 prototype ever go down if nobody else, anywhere, ever had a copy? In fact, wouldn't the reverse be true? It seems to me that everyone arguing against hoarding/collecting didn't have to pay hundreds (or thousands) of dollars to another collector to get the prototype, so of course they're not going to care if the value goes down. What's really funny is that some of the posters here acting as if they're entitled to to this (or any) ROM simply because emulation is a "community" or something. ____________________ andrew sylvester dot com | retrogaming @ robot vaudeville |
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Level: 32 Posts: 9/178 EXP: 188176 Next: 18266 Since: 02-26-07 Last post: 2227 days Last view: 2152 days |
Thexare Blademoon, you fail to understand that a lot of people who own prototypes own them because they enjoy owning them, not because they will get attention and feel better than everyone else. I own prototype arcade games, but you don't see me trying to lord over other people with them. I enjoy them as a collector and as a gamer, and I study and use them. You're basically saying that anyone who owns a prototype and doesn't break the law and give everyone a free copy of the game is looking to have an 'e-penis'. How juvenile. Additionally, collectors do sell games now and then. Sometimes they want to get out of the hobby and put their money into something else they want to collect, or maybe even use the money for things they actually need. It only matters to people seeking a profit? Not really. I don't feel bad buying a lot of the games I buy because I know that if I ever need the money back, I can usually sell the items for the same or even higher prices than I bought them for. If a particularly expensive game instantly became worth less than I paid for it because someone stole a backup of it and gave it out to everyone, I would be pretty pissed. I'd imagine you would be, too.
Additionally, you're comparing apples and oranges. You're very correct in saying that many things depreciate in value, but as long as that prototype was still in working condition, it was not going to depreciate it any way. Why would it? Outdated technology? It's already 20 years old. Maybe it becomes less desirable? Prototype games are always desirable. There is no reason this game in working condition would depreciate in value unless it stopped being rare (and thus it becomes less desirable), and clearly it has become far less rare because anyone who wants to play the game can now do so. Your Xbox and DS Lite are depreciating because they're no longer new, they're becoming technologically outdated, and they're becoming less sought after due to newer systems (well, in case of Xbox, anyway). None of these apply to the prototype. The only similarity is that the people who wanted those things now have them, and as such they are cheaper because they are less desirable. That's exactly what just happened to the prototype. I'll call people morons for feeling like they deserve to have this ROM because it's true: you're morons. You don't deserve this game, and it was basically stolen for 5 minutes of your enjoyment. Hope it was worth it, since your chances of seeing more prototypes has gone down as a result. Edit: And to add to what PSlugworth said: "There are millions of Nintendo DSes across the world, and more being manufactured every day. There is only one SMB2 prototype. " The number of Nintendo DS units is (for the sake of this argument) matching demand pretty well. The demand for the SMB2 prototype is fairly high, but the supply was only one; now the supply is essentially infinite and thus exceeds demand. Few people would not be interested in purchasing the prototype at any price near its previous value. It's worth less due to theft. |
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Cheep-cheep Level: 32 Posts: 107/180 EXP: 191455 Next: 14987 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 5974 days Last view: 5966 days |
Posted by NetSplit Posted by Thexare Blademoon Guess you missed that detail. NetSplit, I am not from a well-off family. While the value of a dollar is not lost on me, I don't see it as being anywhere near as much as you do. And you say all this like I've even played (or hell, downloaded) the rom. I haven't, and I have no desire to. Just figured I'd throw that small detail out there. One last thing: can you please come up with a more original - or at least elaborate - insult? If you're going to put this much effort into arguing with us, at least put some into belittling us as well... |
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Level: 32 Posts: 10/178 EXP: 188176 Next: 18266 Since: 02-26-07 Last post: 2227 days Last view: 2152 days |
If I ever see you, I'll be sure to grab a portion of whatever amount of cash you're carrying around and then we'll see how you feel about the value of something (ie the money in your pocket) dropping due to someone else's actions. |
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Cheep-cheep Level: 32 Posts: 108/180 EXP: 191455 Next: 14987 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 5974 days Last view: 5966 days |
Technically, the value of the money in my pocket will remain the same. A $1 bill is still worth a dollar. There'll just be less of it.
Now, is this a road you really want to go down, or do you want to just back off and let one of the more level-headed people take care of your argument? |
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Cheep-cheep Level: 32 Posts: 18/189 EXP: 205996 Next: 446 Since: 02-19-07 From: Brooklyn, NY Last post: 5042 days Last view: 2670 days |
So you're saying that, for example, since you could never afford, say, the Mona Lisa, it's worthless?
Of course not. You said you weren't from a well-off family, you don't have a lot of "disposable income," so it's only worthless to you. The fact is, prototypes are worth a lot of money to a lot of people. So you wouldn't buy it because it's out of your price range, or maybe it simply doesn't interest you. Okay, so in that sense, what does your opinion really matter at all? I'm not trying to sound like an asshole here, but seriously, how does your opinion hold any weight on the matter? ____________________ andrew sylvester dot com | retrogaming @ robot vaudeville |
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Cheep-cheep Level: 32 Posts: 109/180 EXP: 191455 Next: 14987 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 5974 days Last view: 5966 days |
what the fuck are you even rambling about
edit: no, seriously, how in the nine hells would you get that from what I said edit2: y'know what? I liked it better when it was BMF arguing against the distribution of the rom. He, at least, made sense. And he didn't resort to insults. |
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Cheep-cheep Level: 32 Posts: 19/189 EXP: 205996 Next: 446 Since: 02-19-07 From: Brooklyn, NY Last post: 5042 days Last view: 2670 days |
I apologize, I didn't realize a third-grade level analogy was considered an insult. Let me break it down a little.
You said the following: "Value drops. But the thing is, I don't care." "I am not from a well-off family. While the value of a dollar is not lost on me, I don't see it as being anywhere near as much as you do." and "And you say all this like I've even played (or hell, downloaded) the rom. I haven't, and I have no desire to." To which I replied, in summary: So considering all that, why do you think others should consider your opnion? The ROM is worth a lot to some other people. Having it leaked devalues their investment. ____________________ andrew sylvester dot com | retrogaming @ robot vaudeville |
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 Paratroopa Level: 28 Posts: 69/140 EXP: 131331 Next: 7 Since: 02-19-07 From: AUSSIELAND Last post: 5922 days Last view: 5922 days |
Posted by NetSplitYes, because it's fucking raining unfinished games from the clouds above, especially prototypes not snatched up by attention-seeking neckbearded fuckmonglers who get a kick out of specifically denying the dumping of certain rarities just so they can feel important (they're out there, and they're both as dumb as they sound, and as privy to losing interesting artifacts of gaming history to bitrot and general mishandling as they seem!) Posted by NetSplitWhat the fuck are you attempting to pound out of your battered abused keyboard with your lard-crushed digits? That leaking a ROM is exactly the same as pickpocketing someone? You're either deliberately ignorant, or you love the fuck out of slippery slopes. Either way, can you please either seek some particularly-speedy form of public transport to fall in front of, or get your carcass to PMs before the smell of terrible posts lures the illiterate hordes of that other forum here? It'd be a real help. Ta! |
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 Lantern Ghost Level: 60 Posts: 298/766 EXP: 1680832 Next: 91946 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 5974 days Last view: 5780 days |
If I had anything like this, I would release it in a heartbeat.
That's just my input though. Who really cares if you are the only person to play it and will be for all time? You're going to die one day, then what? Noone will be there to get it, or it will just fall into other hands like deceased peoples things normally do and it will eventually make it to someone less greedy. ____________________ I miss post headers more. |
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Posted by Sonicandfails Yes but by then the cartridge will be constipated. (un-dumpable  )____________________ 
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