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emcee

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Posted on 04-22-06 03:02 AM Link | Quote
This is probably old news, but its the first I've heard of it. Basically its a movie about what happened on that fourth plane that crashed in Pennsylvania.

I figured they would start coming out with September 11th movies eventually, just not this soon.

On the one hand it would be nice if it turned out to be a good film that honors the victims, without sensationalizing it. But on the other hand I'm afraid they just may be exploiting the story for a box office/awards "sure thing".
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Posted on 04-22-06 10:29 AM Link | Quote
I don't think its too soon. Besides, the people who made this movie asked the families if they were ready for a movie about they're loved ones, and they said yes. So its not up to us, I don't think, but the families and friends who knew them. Also, some of the victims friends and family are in the movie.

My hubby really want to see this movie, but I'm busy at work this weekend, so I'll doubt I'll go with him.
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Posted on 04-23-06 11:00 PM Link | Quote
I'm not saying it's too soon, I just didn't expect it this soon.

Did the families agree to just the concept of a film or the final product? I'm not saying it's nessicarily a bad thing, I just hope they don't try to sensationalize it by turning it into some kind of action/thriller. Or worse, not put much effort into it at all, because they figure its a sure thing either way just because of the subject.
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Posted on 04-24-06 12:39 AM Link | Quote
I have mixed feelings about this movie, to be honest. On the one hand, someone in the comments section of imdb.com points out, "Profiting from the death of a family member" and that does trouble me somewhat. But then, this is likely to be a lot more respectful than other bits which have done the same thing, and this one (unlike certain other films) not seeking to be propaganda from what I can tell, but rather a historical drama of sorts.

On the other, if it's done well it could serve as a fitting memorial to the brave souls who decided that they would be more than just victims of terrorism, they would fight back as best they could. And they may have saved thousands of lives by doing so.
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Posted on 04-24-06 12:52 AM Link | Quote
This may sound heartless, but I have to know what's so bad about profiting from a dead family member, if they're dead they're dead, you can't change that, why not capitalize on it? But that's treading touchy waters.

It doesn't suprise me at all they made a movie about 9-11. Infact I thought there would be one sooner and was suprised there wasn't. It sounds like a waste of money to me, to be honest. People are going to go see it just because they want other people to think they respect the people who died, or because it's 9-11 ZOMG. Remember that movie about jesus? you never hear anyone talk about if it was a good movie or bad on it's own, that's how I feel this movie is going to turn out. Anyway you look at it, it's still just a movie.
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Posted on 04-24-06 02:28 AM Link | Quote
Sounds like crap to me.

I saw the commercial... there's little in this movie that could truly follow up to political correctness besides the most redundant events on 911.

Okay, we already know about the two planes, conspiracies, the towers, the date and all that. But did hollywood have the balls to actually interview each family of the victims to figure out their personalities? Most likely not. And did they actually reinact the events between the passengers and the terrorists? No.

Just about any overpaid asshole can fabricate artificial sympathy over this deadwood point in history for monetary gain. I'm not going to watch it, even if someone paid me a couple hundred bucks.

If I did go to see it (for free), during the film, I'd laugh at everyone else for wasting their money just to piss people off.


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Posted on 04-24-06 04:28 AM Link | Quote
the justice department won't issue a visa for the guy who played the head terrorist to come into the country for the premiere.
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Posted on 04-29-06 10:36 AM Link | Quote
The money from the movie (at least 10% of it anyway) is going to the memeorial fund.

My hubby made a point the other day: Its okay that not long after 9/11, the movie Fahrenheit 9/11 comes out and everyone is okay with it, but after years later this movie comes out and everyone is bitching.

People need to just stop bitching and get laid and head to tyhe pub.
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Posted on 04-29-06 06:30 PM Link | Quote
Difference being Fahrenheit 9/11 wasn't just about The Events Of September 11, but basically teeing off on Bush. This is just a crappy, fictionalized (and somewhat stereotyped, from what I understand from reviews) account of what happened. I've no burning desire to see this flick.
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From what I've heard, it sounds like a greatly emotional and important non-political film, without any kind of "Hollywood entertainment" thrown in. I'll go see it next weekend probably.

I like Ebert's review, even though he just had to throw in some unnecessary nonsense. Read the very last paragraph for those of you who are worried about the trailer making it look like a thriller.


United 93

BY ROGER EBERT / April 28, 2006

****

It is not too soon for "United 93," because it is not a film that knows any time has passed since 9/11. The entire story, every detail, is told in the present tense. We know what they know when they know it, and nothing else. Nothing about Al Qaeda, nothing about Osama bin Laden, nothing about Afghanistan or Iraq, only events as they unfold. This is a masterful and heartbreaking film, and it does honor to the memory of the victims.

The director, Paul Greengrass, makes a deliberate effort to stay away from recognizable actors, and there is no attempt to portray the passengers or terrorists as people with histories. In most movies about doomed voyages, we meet a few key characters we'll be following: The newlyweds, the granny, the businessman, the man with a secret. Here there's none of that. What we know about the passengers on United 93 is exactly what we would know if we had been on the plane and sitting across from them: nothing, except for a few details of personal appearance.

Scenes on board the plane alternate with scenes inside the National Air Traffic Control Center, airport towers, regional air traffic stations, and a military command room. Here, too, there are no back stories. Just technicians living in the moment. Many of them are played by the actual people involved; we sense that in their command of procedure and jargon. When the controllers in the LaGuardia tower see the second airplane crash into the World Trade Center, they recoil with shock and horror, and that moment in the film seems as real as it seemed to me on Sept. 11, 2001.

The film begins on a black screen, and we hear one of the hijackers reading aloud from the Koran. There are scenes of the hijackers at prayer, and many occasions when they evoke God and dedicate themselves to him. These details may offend some viewers, but are almost certainly accurate; the hijacking and destruction of the four planes was carried out as a divine mission. That the majority of Muslims disapprove of terrorism goes without saying; on 9/12, there was a candlelight vigil in Iran for the United States. That the terrorists found justification in religion also goes without saying. Most nations at most times go into battle evoking the protection of their gods.

But the film doesn't depict the terrorists as villains. It has no need to. Like everyone else in the movie they are people of ordinary appearance, going about their business. "United 93" is incomparably more powerful because it depicts all of its characters as people trapped in an exorable progress toward tragedy. The movie contains no politics. No theory. No personal chit-chat. No patriotic speeches. We never see the big picture.

We watch United 93 as the passengers and crew board the plane and it prepares to depart. Incredibly, it was still on the ground when the first plane went into the WTC. An immediate order to abort all takeoffs would have saved lives, but how were the air traffic controllers to know of the other hijackings? Living in the moment, we share their confusion.

At first it's reported a "small plane" crashed into the tower. Then by a process of deduction it's determined it must have been a missing American flight. The full scope of the plot only gradually becomes clear. One plane after another abandons its flight plan and goes silent. There are false alarms: For more than an hour, a Delta flight is thought to have been hijacked, although it was not. At the FAA national center, the man in charge, Ben Sliney (playing himself) begins to piece things together and orders a complete shutdown of all American air traffic. Given what a momentous decision this was, costing the airlines a fortune and disrupting a nation's travel plans, we are grateful he had the nerve to make it.

As the outline of events come into focus, there is attempt to coordinate civilian and military authorities. It is doomed to fail. A liaison post is not staffed. Two jet fighters are sent up to intercept a hijacked plane, but they are not armed; there is discussion of having the fighters ram the jets as their pilots eject. A few other fighters are scrambled, but inexplicably fly east, over the ocean. Military commanders try again and again, with increasing urgency, to get presidential authorization to use force against civilian aircraft. An unbearable period of time passes, with no response.

"United 93" simply includes this in the flow of events, without comment. Many people seeing the film will remember the scene in "Fahrenheit 9/11" in which President George W. Bush sat immobile in a children's classroom in Florida for seven minutes after being informed of the attack on the WTC. What was he waiting for? Was he ever informed of the military request? The movie does not know, because the people on the screen do not have the opportunity of hindsight.

All of these larger matters are far offscreen. The third act of the film focuses on the desperation on board United 93, after the hijackers take control, slash flight attendants, kill the pilots and seem to have a bomb. We are familiar with details of this flight, pieced together from many telephone calls from the plane and from the cockpit voice recorder. Greengrass is determined to be as accurate as possible. There is no false grandstanding, no phony arguments among the passengers, no individual heroes. The passengers are a terrified planeload of strangers. After they learn by phone about the WTC attacks, after an attendant says she saw the dead bodies of the two pilots, they decide they must take action. They storm the cockpit. Even as these brave passengers charge up the aisle, we know nothing in particular about them -- none of the details we later learned. We could be on the plane, terrified, watching them. The famous words "Let's roll" are heard but not underlined; these people are not speaking for history.

There has been much discussion of the movie's trailer, and no wonder. It pieces together moments from "United 93" to make it seem more conventional, more like a thriller. Dialogue that seems absolutely realistic in context sounds, in the trailer, like sound bites and punch lines. To watch the trailer is to sense the movie that Greengrass did not make. To watch "United 93" is to be confronted with the grim chaotic reality of that autumn day in 2001. The movie is deeply disturbing, and some people may have to leave the theater. But it would have been much more disturbing if Greengrass had made it in a conventional way. He does not exploit, he draws no conclusions, he points no fingers, he avoids "human interest" and "personal dramas" and just simply watches. The movie's point of view reminds me of the angels in "Wings of Desire." They see what people do and they are saddened, but they cannot intervene.



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Posted on 04-30-06 12:12 AM Link | Quote
After reading that review, I rather want to see that movie, after being somewhat uncertain before.

And drjay, somehow I don't see how F9/11 is more acceptable than this due to reasons you specified and seem to suggest make it more acceptable. If anything, trying to make a point and advance a political agenda, particularly with a lot of deception and half-truths, while seeking big profit, is a lot worse than this.
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Posted on 04-30-06 12:29 AM Link | Quote
I'm not saying it's more acceptable, I'm just saying F9/11 wasn't made to capitalize on The Events Of, it was made to get Bush out of office. (Which I don't have a problem with, and I'm guessing you do, from the "deception and half-truths" comment. But no getting politics in my tube. Let's end THAT with a basic assumption: Michael Moore:anti-Bush::Ann Coulter::Bush cheerleaders.) If it was capitalizing on that day, then I'd have an issue. (Or maybe I'd let my politics blind that. That's why I'm in sports and not politics. )

If Ebert's review is closer to what the movie is, it sounds much better. Still not interested in seeing it, but not for bad reasons.
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Posted on 04-30-06 12:45 AM Link | Quote
But it WAS capitalizing on the events of that day. Not as many people would've gone to see it if it had been just another Bush-bashing piece, like his next movie is, which like I said probably won't do as well. He claimed to be able to explain the events of 9/11, and he profited from it.
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Posted on 04-30-06 09:51 PM Link | Quote
Did you watch the movie... even once?

And I'll definatly see this movie. It's an extraordinary story.. and I don't see why it shouldn't be remembered. I don't think people are mercilessly profitting off of it.. someone didn't go "ZOMG 9/11 MOVIE.. I'LL MAKE TONS OF CASH!!!".. even though they probably will... I can't see that as being the thought process involved in something like this.
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Posted on 04-30-06 11:31 PM Link | Quote
Yes, I did watch the movie, suppressing the urge to vomit most of the time.
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I wouldnt watch this movie. Not even once. It's disgusting and it's wrong to make 9/11 movies. What were they thinking.


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Originally posted by insectduel
I wouldnt watch this movie. Not even once. It's disgusting and it's wrong to make 9/11 movies. What were they thinking.

Despite the fact that they're obviously trying to cash in on the attacks, what's wrong with a movie about 9/11? That's like saying we should act like it never happened.
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Posted on 05-06-06 05:33 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Snow Tomato
.. someone didn't go "ZOMG 9/11 MOVIE.. I'LL MAKE TONS OF CASH!!!"..


You give people too much credit. Movie studios make movies for profit. I have little doubt that "ZOMG 9/11 MOVIE.. I'LL MAKE TONS OF CASH!!!" pretty much sums up the thought process of whoever at Universial Studios made the desicion to fund this movie.

Later this year another movie is coming out: "World Trade Center". Guess what it's about.

Has anyone seen United 93 yet?
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Posted on 05-06-06 01:51 PM Link | Quote
You forgot that I came from NYC. I wouldnt want to see this movie in my own hood.
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I liked the movie just fine. It was well-done and powerful, though not quite the weepy emotional movie a lot of people made it out to be. There were people saying it's near the same level as The Passion of the Christ, which is a ridiculous statement in the first place, but I figured maybe it'd be sort of the same kind of emotion-stirring movie, but it wasn't quite. Still good.
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