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Arwon Bazu                   Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6322 days Last view: 6322 days |
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Originally posted by Vyper Sure it will. The more expensive oil gets, the more cost-effective alternative sources become. That includes both renewables and unexplored and unexploited other sources of fossil fuels (this is already happening, things like Tar Sands are beocming more economical to drill that they ever were when oil hovered at 20 dollars a barrel). The trick for the oil companies is staying on top of the future of energy while not accidentally sidelining themselves completely with some new source, before they can adjust and take advantage. Oh, and ad hominem "hypocrisy" attacks are always staggeringly ineffective. Grow the fuck up. |
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Skydude Armos Knight   Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6594 days Last view: 6594 days |
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| I was trying to bring a bit of a laugh to the thread. Get a fucking sense of humor. | |||
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6322 days Last view: 6322 days |
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| That was actually directed at young Vyper, who decided it'd be a good idea to directly attack the other posters.
Your comment... meh, well, it's just a dumb humourjoke. And you don't fuck with Al Gore. He has ridden the mighty moon worm. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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Originally posted by Arwon And he defeated manbearpig. I'm super duper cereal here guys. |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| I've been thinking about some things recently...The polar ice caps are the coldest places on earth, but what if that wasn't always true? I mean, I have heard countless theories that there used to be civilization there, and there used to be warm climates...So is it not possible that it is not just the greenhouse gas effect in play here, but the entire equator moving slowly northwards?
I mean, wouoldn't the ice caps have always been frozen? As it stands, the equator is in the middle (Or what we consider in relation to the ice caps) of the earth. But what if the equator has been moving? What if at one time the Equator was rotating around both ice caps? I have nothing to support this theory, so don't take it too valid... (edited by Rom Manic on 04-29-06 06:07 PM) |
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Skreename Giant Red Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6327 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| The equator is the arbitrary line that happens to be halfway between the poles. For it to be on the pole and still retain its warmth, it would mean the planet's axis was tilted WAY out of its ordinary position, and that's very unhealthy. Especially since that part of the planet would be baked by constant warmth.
Of course, having it vary in position would fit with the possibility of a slightly tilting axis, but anything too far would have massive ramifications. |
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Vyper, what are you gonna do about it? I bet you have the SAME thoughts as us, unless YOU'RE the one blowing the Semi-Truck...  |
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Jomb Deddorokku  Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6323 days Last view: 6323 days |
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| ROM - some things about the Earth do change over vast periods of time. The magnetic poles have shifted, the continents themselves change shape and position on the earth as the tectonic plates slide around. Antartica was not always at the South pole. The real question to your theory is whether or not it was at the South pole for all times in which man has existed to put a culture there.
Vyper- i'm not suggesting that we give up our lives or change radically, only that we put serious and not half-assed effort into getting off of fossil fuels and onto something better. It would not only help the environment, but would also made us more independant. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6322 days Last view: 6322 days |
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| WE NEED FUCKING CARBON TRADING SCHEMES | |||
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6594 days Last view: 6594 days |
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| Well, it depends how they work. In some cases, from some of the models I've seen, it would make things worse, such as various afforestation proposals which get far more credit than they do benefit. | |||
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6322 days Last view: 6322 days |
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| One of the big problems with carbon trading schemes in this country, there's too much of that. On the other hand, we do need more damn forests in this country so I guess it does need to be encouraged.
The problem of credits being given for carbon sinks undermining efforts to reduce emissions could be solved with a much harsher baseline numver of credits, but there isn't really the political will for that. Because politicans are idiots and environmental economics is really non-intuitive. (edited by Arwon on 04-30-06 12:10 AM) |
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Billiards Koopa Red Paratroopa  Since: 04-21-06 From: Far away from a carnival, one ride tried to kill me (no lie) Last post: 6528 days Last view: 6528 days |
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Originally posted by Skydude You're talking about a guy who "invented the internet" |
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Tanooki Hero Goomba  Since: 05-17-06 From: NY Last post: 6586 days Last view: 6586 days |
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| I came to this board for the hacking forums, but this thread caught my interest. Many of you are talking about the validity of various scientific models and making statements like "I say that like every real* scientist under the sun sees the evidence and has concluded that there is a definite link. " I'd like to ask how many of you are actually involved in the scientific community.
I am not an environmental scientist, I am a physicist. I am one semester from recieveing my bachelors, and I plan on going to grad school. I am currently doing my part to find alternative energy sources, probably a larger part then anyone here. I work in a nano power research laboratory. My particular research is in characterizing matierals for use in photo- and alpha- voltaics(solar cells and radio batteries). Also, my minor is in philosophy and I have taken several courses specifically on epistemology, the study of what we can know. My focus in my minor has been the philosophy of science, and in studying it I've learned that politicalization of science is a HUGE issue. The corruption is usually not on the part of the scientists(usually), but the way it works is that research groups need funding, usually alot of it, science is expensive. These groups appeal to various goverment organiztions for MOST of this money. My current research is funded by SOCOM, DARPA and NRO(This should appease liberals that think military spending is only good for death and destruction, in this case war is the largest motive for developing these new energy sources). Research that sounds appealing to beaurocrat's is much more easily funded. If the subject of research can be politicized, then certain groups will be funded rather then others. Global warming is not unique in this respect, (don't flame me for this) but cancer research recieves WAY to much money in the united states, because everyone can identify it as a noble cause. The same money could be applied to other types of medical research with greater benefit to mankind. Based on my own knowledge of the subject and from talking to many proffesors in physics, chemistry and enviromental science, I would agree that at BEST global warming research is non-conclusive, we may be in a warming trend, if so how much, if its that much how much is our fault. What many people don't realize is that climate science is in its infancy, we have tried to predict the weather since the dawn of man, but much of climate science is very VERY new. In the 1970's there was a political panic about global cooling, funny how no one seems to remember that. Also, the largest producer of green house gases is not mankind, its forests, especially evergreens. Aside from developing alternative energy(I'm doing my part), one large way man can reduce green house gases is to STOP interfering with forest fires, they are naturally occuring and the presence of mankind has reduced there effect globably on forest control . Almost forgot, ever watch a ice cube melt in a glass of water? Did you see the water level raise? No? That's because solids floating in fluid displace a volume of fluid proportional to there mass and water is more dense then ice. Amazing how people forget 7th grade science class. I am very intrested in hearing which of you fellow posters are involved in the scientific community. (edited by Tanooki Hero on 05-21-06 05:03 PM) (edited by Tanooki Hero on 05-21-06 05:06 PM) (edited by Tanooki Hero on 05-21-06 05:58 PM) |
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Skreename Giant Red Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6327 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| I'm going to ignore your whole post in order to complain that water is in fact MORE dense than ice, since otherwise ice wouldn't float.
Now that I've gotten that out of the way... Actually, a lot of things ARE inconclusive on the subject in general, from what I've heard. However, the dependence on "dirty" fuels can still cause issues ranging from smog to acid rain. Forest fires have indeed been villified far too much over time; this is unfortunate, since stopping all of the minor ones will cause more significant ones to sweep through destroying far more worthwhile things, including potentially the forest as a whole and anyone living anywhere in the vicinity. And I actually hadn't heard that thing about global cooling in the 70s. |
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Tanooki Hero Goomba Since: 05-17-06 From: NY Last post: 6586 days Last view: 6586 days |
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| I've edited my post, just because I miss spoke doesn't not mean you should disregard the entire post, if your going to close your eyes and ears to a scientist then you really should not have anything to say about this subject. What are your qualifications to have anything to say about the subject. Also, if you'd like to learn more about global cooling you could just wiki it. (edited by Tanooki Hero on 05-21-06 06:01 PM) (edited by Tanooki Hero on 05-21-06 06:02 PM) |
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Skreename Giant Red Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6327 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| I'm not disregarding what you said. Just pointing that out first in a rather coarse way. If you didn't notice, I AGREED with most of what you said.
Moreover, a lot of people don't have qualifications to speak on what they do. Does it stop them? |
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Vyper Kodondo Raging Venom  Since: 11-18-05 From: Final Fantasy Fire Last post: 6338 days Last view: 6338 days |
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For those of you telling me to grow the fuck up, etc., good for you. I like it when people try to insult me. It doesn't work 
Another thing we should all consider. Did you know the amount of water on earth never changes? Whether it's in our bodies, in animals, in the plants, in the ground, in the ocean, or in the atmosphere, it's always the same. Pretty cool, huh? |
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Skreename Giant Red Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6327 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| If you want to get overly specific, technically the amount of water remaining on earth decreases with each and every space flight, as a small amount likely gets lost into space.
Assuming of course that you don't count that as "outer atmosphere". In which case it's constricted to whatever gets caught with the probes that go other places. Still a miniscule quantity, but... umm... yeah. I don't think I had any real good point to make with this. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6322 days Last view: 6322 days |
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| The vast majority of water on the planet isn't in a usable form though. That and an ever-increasing population needing a finite and fixed water-supply makes water scarcity a massive issue. Doubly so in a place like Australia.
Ooops, just missed this bit of nonsense:
Amazing how people forget 7th grade geography. Antarctica is a landmass with massive sheets of ice sitting on top of it. Same deal with Greenland, and there's any number of glaciers and so forth with water locked up in them. The melting of floating ice shelves isn't necesarily the main danger, but a precursor to something bigger. Also, if we're talking about science here... what happens to something as it heats up? That's right - thermal expansion. The water temperature increasing will lead to rising sea levels. This is actually the main likely cause of sea-level rising, the melting of ice shelves and glaciers is just a nice added bonus. |
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Jomb Deddorokku Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6323 days Last view: 6323 days |
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| I just watched a portion of a show on Discovery and it said the ocean has risen about 1.5 feet since the 1920s, with that increase weighted more towards recent times. Meaning the rate its rising is rising. Sounds like global warming to me. Is there another reasonable explanation for this? I'm open to an alternative theory. Whether or not we are causing the global warming really does'nt matter in the face of the fact that it IS happening and maybe instead of bickering about whether we are to blame or not we should be seeing if there is anything we can do to halt it. |
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