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| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - Entertainment & Sports - V for Vendetta (spoilers) |
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Deleted User Banned                Since: 05-08-06 Last post: None Last view: 6336 days |
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| Tell me... has anyone else seen this? This movie looks for like a film tryng promote hatred against anyone that's conservative; I try to live peacefully among people. but I don't truly understand the movie entirely, because I'm sitting there half the time wondering if it's got a certain message through it; instead of enjoying the fighting. I left when she found "the note"... Anyone seen this yet? (edited by Skyon on 03-25-06 04:20 PM) |
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Skydude Armos Knight         Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6609 days Last view: 6609 days |
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| I may or may not see this movie at some point. One thing that I think is interesting is that the creator of the comics on which the movie is based forced the Wachowski brothers to take his name off the project because he was sick at what they'd done to the concept, character, and story. | |||
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| Yeah, I liked Hugo Weaving, but as much as I watched he wasn't around, except a little of the beginning; it was like they had to make it more of a political movie, and then maybe later the action or whatever. I wanted to see it because I thought it looked cool, but it's got some things that I felt offensive towards. Subconsciously, it was like I was fighting to NOT hate where this movie was going, but it went where I ultimately had to leave. | |||
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6335 days Last view: 6335 days |
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Screw trying to justify this movie to people like you. I liked it, it was fairly faithful to the comic book and was a good social commentary on the slippery slope towards fascism. (edited by Plus Sign Abomination on 03-25-06 05:50 PM) |
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Kingpin Since: 11-21-05 From: Amarillo, TX Last post: 6341 days Last view: 6335 days |
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| I'm incredibly conservative, and I loved this movie. One aspect of the movie I didn't agree with it, but the rest of the film was solid, entertaining, and well written. | |||
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| My problem is they made this movie with a political view in a "superhero" genre! WTF is up with that crap!? They should make the typical boring political movie if they want to promote their views, instead of giving it "the edge". I thought it was going to be a fun, flat-out, (and didn't expect the hidden message of "Naughty naughty conservatives" for saying "God will set judgement on you!!" which that was in the beginning of the movie when the chancellor was speaking on television)
I'm not quite sure but I wonder if this movie is anti-religious; he kills a priest in that movie, and I still don't know why; I was too busy trying to convince myself: this could be a cool movie still. (edited by Skyon on 03-25-06 06:01 PM) (edited by Skyon on 03-25-06 06:02 PM) |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6335 days Last view: 6335 days |
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| Oh my. Oh my!
The comic book that this is based off of has the SAME ideas. You know what? This isn't a super-hero movie either, it's a sort of Schindler's List. But I mean, that was an attack on conservatives too, right? I mean, what about films demonizing Mussolini? I guess it is just being unfair towards conservatives. How about a movie framing the terror of Augusto Pinochet or the cruelties of the Japanese during WW2? It's just more bashing the conservatives! Oh! how terribly oppressed must be the Christians of America! For truly under the reign of this Heliogablus in office they've not yet elected a single president, nor do they have clout. Still, to this day! How the lions lust for their supple flesh and oh how are they silenced in the media! |
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6609 days Last view: 6609 days |
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| Ziff, honestly, you're just being rude now, and you're wrong about part of it besides. Like I said, the creator of the comic books, Alan Moore, demanded his name be taken off because the Wachowskis BUTCHERED the ideas.
Basically, the comic books had the terrorist main character as an monstrous antihero of sorts. Someone who's a really sick, awful person, even if he's fighting a tyrannical society, and that what he's doing is really wrong even in the face of all this, to make people think. The movie, on the other hand, has made him into a "Robin Hood" kind of character, trying to make the audience sympathetic and making his terrorism justified. Basically, it's the Wachowski brothers' way of saying "the terrorists are the good guys!" rather than actually spur any real thinking on the issues. |
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Kingpin Since: 11-21-05 From: Amarillo, TX Last post: 6341 days Last view: 6335 days |
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| Since the thread is marked spoilers, I am going to say this. The priest was a pedophile, and was also one of the people responsible for the experiment on him.
If you thought this was a movie about a superhero that wanted to destroy conservatism, then you should watch it again. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6335 days Last view: 6335 days |
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| Skydude, have you read the comic book or seen the movie?
No? Be quiet. |
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6609 days Last view: 6609 days |
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| Well, I discussed this with a friend who's a huge fan of the comics and this is what he told me.
So why don't you be quiet? |
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Originally posted by Kiraxo + That's fair then; I don't remember the pedophile part... |
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Xeo Belmont Wiiiiiiiiiiiiin  Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6335 days Last view: 6335 days |
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| The only deep meanings I paid attention for, and saw were symbolism. From the simple fact of never seeing V's face (because it's pointless, it's not WHO he is that matters), and seeing the dead people pull off his mask towards the end, etc.
I mean I'm sure there's some deep meanings to the movie, obviously. But overall I thought it was a great movie. I can't believe some of my friends compared it to King Kong however ... The movie was told interestingly also. V the main hero, was not the main character. My friend's told me, that apparently the next Spawn movie is going to take on this style (Spawn beaing the hero, but not the person the camera follows most of the time). |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6335 days Last view: 6335 days |
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Originally posted by Skydude Because I'm a huge fan of the comic AND have seen the movie? |
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MathOnNapkins  1100  In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6335 days Last view: 6335 days |
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Unless you're a fascist I don't see how V for Vendetta would outright make you walk out of the movie. Though I have to lol at how Alan Moore's (the creator of the comic series) comments very much mirror this discussion:
Originally posted by wikipedia I read the synopsis for the whole comic series, and well yeah it's a bit different, yet not that different. However, I'd have to say I had doubts about V's sanity while watching the film. Whether he was morally justified and they of course address that by using Evey's reaction to his murderous revenge excursions. The main difference was that the movie was liberty versus a totalitarian "christian"* regime, whereas the comic seems to have the theme of anarchy versus tyranny. In other words, the film is sympathetic to democracy and the comic is sympathetic to anarchy. Isn't this how Starship Troopers began as well? Some teacher asking a student to explain why democracy failed? The film was 2 hours and 20 minutes long. I was so thinking I was going to get Kill Bill'ed and have to go see another movie in a year to find out what happened. But I'll say the movie was flawed, and doesn't always seem to keep you updated on how many days pass between scenes :(. And what was up with V speaking in all 'v' words at the beginning? It seems terribly out of place, like something that was supposed to be edited out. Finch's montage was terribly disorienting as well, as I couldn't tell if the things he was talking about and envisioning were actually happening or whether it was what he was predicting was going to happen. Like, I thought the little girl in the glasses got gunned down but then I was pretty sure I saw her alive in a later scene. The montage was so confusing I thought the movie was about to end at any moment. |
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Kingpin Since: 11-21-05 From: Amarillo, TX Last post: 6341 days Last view: 6335 days |
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Originally posted by SkyonOriginally posted by Kiraxo + Well, his assistant mentions that they got a girl for him, but she is a bit older than usual, to which he replies "Not too old I hope." Thats why Portman is in the room waiting on him with that outfit on. |
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Random Newcomer Since: 12-11-05 Last post: 6664 days Last view: 6375 days |
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| Before I say anything, I'm going to say this: V for Vendetta was the best movie I've ever saw. Ever.
I don't know how people got the impression that this movie was about American political assparty A vs. American political assparty B, because it ain't. When I think about it, that's rather arrogant of both parties. It was about a fascist government that needed some serious blow'd up. V and supporters didn't even wave around any particular ideological doctrine, other than that their current government sucked, and like I said needed some serious blow'd up. That was one of the things I really liked about the movie, no generalized political labeling, you could make your mind up based on their actions. Finally, the ending of that movie was the acme of all endings, seeing parliament blow up while the 1812 Overture was played in the background brought a tear to my eye. Apparently, the graphic novel was published between 1982 and 1985 (wiki), so that essentially kills all theories about symbolism and representation to do with current events. Though by all means, speculate about events during or pre dating the novel. |
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NSNick Gohma IF ALL ELSE FAILS USE BOOZE  Since: 11-17-05 From: Last post: 6337 days Last view: 6337 days |
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| I liked this movie a lot. I was worried at the beginning, because I thought that long 'V' monologue was indicative of how V was going to speak for the whole movie. | |||
Young Guru Snifit  Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6342 days Last view: 6335 days |
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| I thought that this movie was very entertaining. It did have some good points about the problems with totalitarian governments completly controlling the lives of every citizen. Very 1984-ish. And the screen play for the movie probably wasn't written in the 80's so it's very possible, and highly likely that this movie is a political comentary on current events, though overblown and overly worrisome but still, that's what art is about, getting ideas out and making statements about what you feel about current situations. I did like the few action scenes and the photography was well done I thought. And I loved the 'V' speach at the begining and all his monologues throughout the entire movie, I guess it's cause i liked all the movies and stories that he was quoting. | |||
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Alastor Fearless Moderator Hero  Since: 11-17-05 From: An apartment by DigiPen, Redmond, Washington Last post: 6335 days Last view: 6335 days |
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| I liked it.
Some of the cutaways could have been done better, but taken for what it is it was quite good. And Alan Moore is crazy. The film still had the anarchists versus faschist angle... Certainly, they call them different things, but that's really what it boils down to. It's not a spot on adaptation, but then such things almost never make good movies and the idea probably would not have been a great idea in the first place, no? |
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