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Gavin

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Posted on 02-08-06 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by BGNG
You can get a reasonable laptop for around $700 nowadays (after rebate, of course). Just check out some of the stuff at NewEgg. Not top of the line by any means, but who said a server has to be ultra fast? Memory's a good thing, and hard disk space is a must, but if you're just serving web content, then...

...well, an AMD-K6-2 processor running at 433MHz on a 4GB hard drive with 124MB of RAM will do you just fine. (-:

sure... or you could just pay the god damned $5 a month and not have to worry about maintaining a slow, crappy server on your own

Randy53215

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Posted on 02-08-06 03:39 PM

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Originally posted by Gavin

sure... or you could just pay the god damned $5 a month and not have to worry about maintaining a slow, crappy server on your own

I agree fully! I wont visit your site if I feel like im on dial up.

Guy Perfect

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Posted on 02-08-06 05:28 PM

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1) If you're going to set up a server, it's most likely for a business or non-profit organization and cost won't be coming out of your pocket.

2) My files won't be hosted on my server. That's just stupid. Why would I give out all my personal bandwidth to the internet like that?

3) Renting a server means playing by someone else's rules. In a techie's world, that's sinful.

4) It's very difficult to make a slow, crappy server. You would either have to dip below the 300MHz line or put Windows on it. Web servers can run with very little other software (not even a GUI), so all of a server's resources can be focused on web.

(edited by BGNG on 02-08-06 04:30 PM)

Gavin

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Posted on 02-08-06 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by BGNG
1) If you're going to set up a server, it's most likely for a business or non-profit organization and cost won't be coming out of your pocket.

2) My files won't be hosted on my server. That's just stupid. Why would I give out all my personal bandwidth to the internet like that?

3) Renting a server means playing by someone else's rules. In a techie's world, that's sinful.

4) It's very difficult to make a slow, crappy server. You would either have to dip below the 300MHz line or put Windows on it. Web servers can run with very little other software (not even a GUI), so all of a server's resources can be focused on web.

I suppose you should then make the distinction between your "techie tinkerer's world" and the "real professional world". Don't get me wrong, I love to tinker and I love to play. When I was running my own web server I had lots of fun and learned a bunch, I just don't happen to think it's very practical for websites that face exposure to the Internet at large.

(edited by Gavin on 02-08-06 06:47 PM)

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Posted on 02-08-06 08:12 PM

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Originally posted by Gavin
Originally posted by BGNG
1) If you're going to set up a server, it's most likely for a business or non-profit organization and cost won't be coming out of your pocket.

2) My files won't be hosted on my server. That's just stupid. Why would I give out all my personal bandwidth to the internet like that?

3) Renting a server means playing by someone else's rules. In a techie's world, that's sinful.

4) It's very difficult to make a slow, crappy server. You would either have to dip below the 300MHz line or put Windows on it. Web servers can run with very little other software (not even a GUI), so all of a server's resources can be focused on web.

I suppose you should then make the distinction between your "techie tinkerer's world" and the "real professional world". Don't get me wrong, I love to tinker and I love to play. When I was running my own web server I had lots of fun and learned a bunch, I just don't happen to think it's very practical for websites that face exposure to the Internet at large.

Try quoting only a portion of the post next time. I have no idea which of those you were replying to. Plus, if anyone wants to read my entire post, they can just look up one. There's no need to quote the whole thing.

Gavin

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Posted on 02-08-06 09:32 PM

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Originally posted by BGNG
Originally posted by Gavin
Originally posted by BGNG
1) If you're going to set up a server, it's most likely for a business or non-profit organization and cost won't be coming out of your pocket.

2) My files won't be hosted on my server. That's just stupid. Why would I give out all my personal bandwidth to the internet like that?

3) Renting a server means playing by someone else's rules. In a techie's world, that's sinful.

4) It's very difficult to make a slow, crappy server. You would either have to dip below the 300MHz line or put Windows on it. Web servers can run with very little other software (not even a GUI), so all of a server's resources can be focused on web.

I suppose you should then make the distinction between your "techie tinkerer's world" and the "real professional world". Don't get me wrong, I love to tinker and I love to play. When I was running my own web server I had lots of fun and learned a bunch, I just don't happen to think it's very practical for websites that face exposure to the Internet at large.

Try quoting only a portion of the post next time. I have no idea which of those you were replying to. Plus, if anyone wants to read my entire post, they can just look up one. There's no need to quote the whole thing.

How about you try sucking my balls.

Sliver X

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Posted on 02-08-06 11:13 PM

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Introduction

A string of asine and retarded posts have been recently initiated by one BGNG, slapping a heaping mound of ghey on boards already plagued with said gheyness.

Plan of Action

The mature thing would be to ignore this douchebag, bug as he/she/it seems to thrive on drama and refuses to acknowledge that most of he/she/its points are stupid and not even worth arguing about, I am compelled to make a statement expressing my general annoyance with he/she/it. I am sure I'm not alone.

Final Words
You are a moron, and nobody cares about anything you say. Go back to making third rate F-Zero editors and keep your opinions about anything to yourself. The world at large will thank you. Also, suck my balls.

Disch

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Posted on 02-09-06 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by BGNG
4) It's very difficult to make a slow, crappy server. You would either have to dip below the 300MHz line or put Windows on it. Web servers can run with very little other software (not even a GUI), so all of a server's resources can be focused on web.

On the contrary. CPU power is not what makes the server -- the connection is. Having a 67 GHz CPU built by NASA is going to be slow as fuck if it's going through a shitty dialup connection. And as I'm sure most people here know -- it's very very easy to have a slow internet connection.

High speed connections and large bandwidth caps are a must. If your site is going to expect a decent level of traffic, you're going to need a high upload speed and an even higher bandwidth cap (or no cap at all). Financing these out-of-pocket costs much, much more than just renting space on an existing server which has plenty of both. And unless your ISP graciously offers you a static IP address at no extra cost -- that's another thing you'll have to dish out some green for (my old roommate in Berkeley was paying an extra $20 a month for a static IP for our DSL connection -- making the static IP alone more expensive than just renting a server). Plus you have to shell out for a domain name (which many servers will include in the package if you rent space from them)... unless you expect everyone to remember your URL as http://62.16.194.78/ or the like.

Not to mention, unless you're purchasing an extra internet connection to dedicate solely to your site (which I'd assume you wouldn't do, since you're trying to avoid paying extra), you're sharing your site's bandwidth with your own personal web-browsing bandwidth. So if you do any filesharing or large file downloads on the side, you'll be slowing down how your server appears to visitors. Likewise if your server demands most of your bandwidth, your browsing speed will slow.

The bottom line is it's usually more efficient to just shell out the money to rent a server, as Gavin suggested. Not only does this save you from the above expenses and problems, it also saves you the hassle of having to maintain/upkeep your server.

Hosting companies specialize in this kind of thing. They do it in bulk, and they can dedicate all their time/energy to it. So they're generally going to be of a higher calibur than something you could do on your own in your free time -- especially if you're restricting yourself to a budget.

Of course there are times when someone would want/need to have their own server... but for something like a small personal/hobby site, that's virtually never the case.

Guy Perfect

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Posted on 02-09-06 02:19 PM

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Absolutely. Commercial internet providers don't usually have ample bandwidth to shovel out to their hundreds of customers, so hosing a site off of one's own internet is sluggish at best. That's why I only use mine for personal activties and the occasional small-file distribution, like those CGI's earlier in this thread.

To clarify, I was referring to "server" as the computer with hosting services, assuming a fast connection. Servers used in corporations usually have very high speeds, in which case the performance of the computer would be the determining factor of its effectiveness as a server.

But for running a personal website, you are correct: It's more cost-effective to rent out someone else's connection and machine instead of using your own. The ramifications of this, however, is that you have a set of guidelines to follow that are not present if you were to run it yourself (maximum transmission/mo., things you can host, etc.).

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