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Black Lord + Flurry                  Since: 11-17-05 From: Where indians still roam... Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6297 days |
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| Okay, I've been noticing something lately... and it is as follows... there are people in this world, that are retarded. I guess, that's pretty obvious but I'm trying to prove something. I guess I can explain this best just using an example.
Example. Fall Out Boy. My girlfriend loved Fall Out Boy, all summer I heard, love love love for Fall Out Boy, her love eventually rubbed off on me... well now she hates Fall Out Boy, with a passion... it's not like their music changed a bit, they didn't just get rid of Take This From Your Grave and From Under the Cork Tree, and make new albums that sounded nothing like them, they became popular, they succeeded as musicians, they're making money, they're doing what is expected of them. But now my girlfriend hates them, because they're appeal has gone down, because they're popular, because now she can't go up to someone and be all like "Fall Out Boy rocks" and have someone say "Fall Out what?" instead they say "Indeed they do". I guess what I'm saying is liking a band because they're unpopular is an uncool thing, but you should like a band because of their music. Still, much love for my gf. |
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richyawyingtmv Bouncy  Since: 11-18-05 From: England Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| Hmmm.
Sounds like how many people's opinions about Green Day changed when they released american idiot. However they have always been crap 
I've never really like fall-out boy to be honest. They just sound so...whiney. Their lead singer is a total fist magnet. His singing is ubearably bad. If anyone doesnt believe me, watch this: http://www.collegehumor.com/movies/1650561/ But yeah. Some people just hate mainstream I guess. |
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Abnormal Freak Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6362 days Last view: 6362 days |
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| Does your girlfriend know you think she's a retard? You, sir, are a dumbass. | |||
Sin Dogan   860  Uoodo Original Blend Armored Trooper Votoms Canned Coffee! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| Yea, Fall Out Boy bites the big one. They're just another one of those pop bands that think they're cool but suck at life. (see Motion City Soundtrack, Coheed & Cambria, Hawthorne Heights, etc.)
I would not be dating someone who listened to that kind of "music".(That's how you keep it real) I've already been tortured to hell and beyond when my friend who gave me rides home used to listen to that shit. (edited by Jin Dogan on 02-01-06 05:23 PM) |
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Salmon Red Cheep-cheep  Since: 11-18-05 From: Norway Last post: 6311 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| It's like it is with Oasis, my favorite band... Some people like to slam on them all the time.. they're just not a good band, they say... they love to hate them.... however if you bring up an underground/alternative band that sounds a lot like them, that band is suddenly a fantastic band...
Somehow some people think those bands that are unknown are a lot better than well-known bands that are basically the same music-wise. It kinda pisses me off... Why can't people like music, regardless of the fame of those who made the music? (edited by The SomerZ on 02-01-06 08:16 PM) |
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Jomb Deddorokku  Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6297 days |
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| I've never heard Fall-Out boy.
But in general, a band has their best moments early on in their life, when they have origional ideas and have'nt run out of them yet. Usually bands are not mainstream early in their career. Additionally, sometimes when a band signs a major label deal, their music changes because major labels very commonly will edit or censor their sound, trying to make them "the next big thing" instead of letting them be who they are and making the music they want to. My favorite band used to be Guided By Voices, they released a dozen kick-ass albums on their own or on tiny little labels before finally signing with a major. I dont care for any of the albums they made after that, because although you could still tell it was them, the sound changed. It became over-produced sounding, and more generic. It started to sound same-y where it used to sound experimental. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| There's actually a counterargument to that, a whole slew of bands I can think of, who took years and several albums to really hit their stride, and really refine the raw elements of their sound into something great.
Animal Collective and Deerhoof, or the Blood Brothers, for example, had all the elements of a great and fairly unique band, but were just too weird and raw until they finally got it together. Les Savy Fav are another, in the early days they were just too low fi and dissonant and abrasive, and now they're absolutely wonderful. So yes, the "gradually refined into something great over time" path of a band is just as common as the "good early, then stale as they get older" path. Oh then there's people like Beck and David Byrne who just keep jumping from one place to another and never really get stale or old. Shrug. |
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Jomb Deddorokku Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6297 days |
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| I agree that not every band starts out great then loses quality over time, but it seems to me that at least 80% of them have their best moments on their 1st or 2nd album, and 99% of them lose quality after signing to a major.
I can think of a few musicians who got better over time, but not many, its really the mark of a great artist to me if they dont lose quality over time. I'm not talking about technical proficiency here, i'm talking about song-writing ability. I dont give a damn about technical proficiency, i'd rather listen to someone who had real vision but had no idea how to play their instruments than some guitar wizard with dull songs. |
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Danielle  6730 Administratorrrr HELLO THERE   Since: 11-17-05 From: California Rate me ^_^ Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| Some people are just like that.
An example I can parallel yours with is Green Day. Their old punk friends (who aren't big, and probably never will be) used to support them for their efforts in trying to make it in music. But funny... ever since American Idiot came out, the old friends hate them. Call the sellouts. Call them posers. But why? Green Day is the same band, singing about the same stuff they always have (maybe a little more political, but has there ever been a better time than now?). It annoys me how people view bands differently if they become popular. Like, once you make it big you don't deserve the same that you did when you were fighting for that popularity. Rather stupid. Fall Out Boy is okay, but I hadn't heard much of them until they were popular. But your girlfriend no longer liking them because everyone knows their name.. that's kinda... flaky. No love for the music.  |
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Jomb Deddorokku Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6297 days |
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| I've never been a big Green Day fan, though i've never disliked them, i consider them better than just about any other modern band on a major label. The thing about punk rock is that alot of it is anti-corporate, anti-sell-out. It's hard to sing songs about the evils of Britney Spears or whatever crap is being sold as music these days, when you yourself are part of the same machinery. This is why punk rock and major labels can never peacefully co-exist. Green Day is not really punk-rock though.
Me, i'm a huge music fan, probably even obsessive about it, and i'll listen to anything that i think has artistic merit. With modern music this is very very rarely something on a major label. I'm not opposed to the idea of major label musicians making good music, it just rarely works out that way anymore. I think its because the major labels are primarily interested in the lowest common denominator, and the big mass appeal, so they wont touch a band which is truly innovative and origional. It just about has to sound like an already proven seller, or once in awhile you'll get some wierd maverick working at one of these places actually sign something cool, which will then usually be a huge flop for them because they wont know how to promote something different, and no amount of promotion is going to get the teenage girls interested in something like Caroliner Rainbow or Trumans Water. I have got some things from major labels recently though. I liked the My Morning Jacket CD i got a few months ago, and Modest Mouse has managed to maintain a decent level of quality after moving to a major. But if you asked me to name off even my 100 favorite albums, i bet i could count on 1 hand the number of them on major labels and released after the 70s. |
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Wurl Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6336 days Last view: 6336 days |
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Originally posted by Danielle Except they have been a corporate band for the last 10 years. Plus, American Idiot is super shitty. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6294 days |
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Originally posted by Danielle No, it's not that they are sell outs...It's that their music has changed so much. Listen to Dookie (their best) and then listen to every subsequent album. Nimrod was okay...But yeesh...American Idiot is just prissy teen pop-punk. |
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Wurl Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6336 days Last view: 6336 days |
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| I consider Green Day a long time sellout because they did change their music after they signed on Capitol. | |||
D3stiny_Sm4sher Ninji  Since: 02-04-06 From: Searching for t3h g4t3... Last post: 6340 days Last view: 6340 days |
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| Ah, and then there's me, who can't quite understand the loyalties people place so strongly in things such as sports teams and bands.
I like songs of all types, not certain types of songs. Rap? In general, I hate it, but once in a while comes a rap song I like. So I can't quite comprehend all of this odd loyalty, and 'so-and-so sucks' but I guess I can try and compare it to, say, my loyalty for Nintendo. So if Nintendo starts doing stupid things, I get mad at them. But I still love the stuff they've made that's good, and I'm going to support them and hope they correct their mistake. But I guess bands are different, eh? |
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Clockworkz Birdon Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6294 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| Green Day sold out like crazy. Dookie was really the only thing that put them on the map.
Question; has Moby sold out? With his release of Hotel, he really altered his style of music drastically. The more I listened to it, the less I like it. Would that change be an example of selling out? He didn't change record labels or anything, but it seems like he's now performing to appeal to the masses, instead of doing his own thing, like he used to. |
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Snow Tomato Snap Dragon  Since: 12-31-05 From: NYC Last post: 6315 days Last view: 6301 days |
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| I HATE WHEN PEOPLE DO THAT. That is probably the number one reason why I can't talk to people about music. I hate hearing people say "Them? They sold out." No, shut up. The music hasn't changed, the band hasn't changed... it's just more people said "Hey.. you know what? This is actually good."
The concept of selling out doesn't even make sense to me.. because to me music isn't worth a penny. It's music.. nobody can own a melody. So the fact that people are making money off of it, seems absolutely irrelevant to me. I can give a shit less if I band can afford to buy a solid chrome jetplane to fly to the moon.. or if they're struggling to even have money to eat. It doesn't matter. The music matters, that is it. End of story. |
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Wurl Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6336 days Last view: 6336 days |
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| Big record labels undoubtly have major influence on a band's sound as compared to a smaller label. And usually the label changes the band's sound for worse, usually to something marketable. That is selling out, more or less. | |||
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Danielle 6730 Administratorrrr HELLO THERE Since: 11-17-05 From: California Rate me ^_^ Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6294 days |
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Originally posted by Snow Tomato THANK GOD. Can you tell me how they're sellouts? Because they tried something new? Because they did exactly what the people said and created a new sound that happened to kick ass? Would you (the people calling them sellouts) rather have had a repeat of Dookie, same sound, same theme? How is THAT better music than American Idiot? Green Day is the same damn band. They are the same guys, with the same ideals, and the same views. They did something positive for their careers because they had something to say, and all of a sudden they're sellouts? That's the worst logic I've ever heard. |
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richyawyingtmv Bouncy Since: 11-18-05 From: England Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6294 days |
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| Carrying on from a point given earlier, major record labels DO influence bands. And usually for the worse. It's like the example of Trent Reznor and TVT. They gave him basically no creative input whatsoever in where he took his music. It forced him to record an EP in secret, the way he wanted, and then release it, before switching to a label that let him do what he wanted...Now he's one of the richest musicians in the world.
His new album, [with teeth], has also been accused by many for being 'sellout'. But I dont see what the fuck they are on about. It's still Trent Reznor, it's still his style. Then again, maybe he is becoming too predictable. Hopefully his next album will follow the example of Radiohead - one of the most consistently original bands around today. After they released OK Computer, everyone was expecting more of the same. Then they released Kid A. (edited by richyawyingtmv on 02-05-06 07:42 AM) |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| I believe that Greenday's best album was Minority.
I find it very hard to comment on this whole issue because my favourite band is Talking Heads, and they straddled artsi and pop, commercial appeal and critical acclaim, like virtually no-one else. Oh, and Augie March too, who none of you have ever heard of because they're intelligent and underappreciated Australian music which should be much bigger than it is. If Strange Bird had been from an American or British band, chances are it'd have been recieved as an underground rock classic on the level of Loveless or Funeral or In The Aeroplane Over The Sea. It's a big call, but I truly believe it. But the industry is unfair, so what are ya gonna do? Maybe Moo You Bloody Choir will get them there. (edited by Arwon on 02-05-06 09:18 AM) |
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