 |
| Register | Login | |||||
 |
Main
| Memberlist
| Active users
| Calendar
| Chat
| Online users Ranks | FAQ | ACS | Stats | Color Chart | Search | Photo album |
|
| | ||
|
| Register | Login | |||||
|
Main
| Memberlist
| Active users
| Calendar
| Chat
| Online users Ranks | FAQ | ACS | Stats | Color Chart | Search | Photo album |
|
| | ||
| 0 users currently in General Gaming. |
| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - General Gaming - Blizzard apparently prohibits gay-friendly guilds in World of Warcraft |
New poll |  |  |
| Pages: 1 2 | Add to favorites | Next newer thread | Next older thread |
| User | Post | ||
|
Schweiz oder etwas [12:55] (Dr_Death16); I swear, the word drama needs to be stricken from the dictionary, for I've heard it so many times, it will permanently be imprinted on my brain                     Since: 11-17-05 From: Kingston, Rhode Island Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
| ||
| Down, Wurl.
I agree with Kutske. I play WoW to escape the pressures of life. I don't play because I want to have long-winded political discussions throughout the Barrens with my intellectual and emotional peers. In fact, I listen to Barrens general because I LIKE basking in the idiocy of Barrens chat and just kinda turning off my serious side for a while and actually BECOMING Marthius, an undead priest who can't hold his own against a rogue. I don't want pieces of the real world being thrown into a fantasy game. The GLBT community can do whatever they like in terms of making guilds that promote their pride, but ultimately there's no real reason for it. I mean, a guild is there to make the game more social, to give you people to group with and kick some Alliance ass with. Yes, while that does mean you can find more GLBT people to be social online with, at the same time making a guild that's GLBT-friendly (because apparently other guilds aren't? I have yet to see a guild with an anti GLBT vibe to it...) would probably cause so much of a commotion that the guild would lose sight of what it means to be a guild and instead just stand there and take fire from anti-groups, people who don't care, immature assholes, and a cacaphony of people who just plain don't agree. Besides, online what is the difference between a GLBT person and everyone else? The same difference there is between a black person and a white person in the eyes of a racist in a world where the color of one's skin can't be seen anyway. It doesn't matter. Why should it suddenly be brought to attention when it never affected gameplay before? There's no sex in WoW. You can't change your character's gender mid game. Your appearance is dictated more by necessity than by fashion, and wearing some kind of tabard or armor of a certain color can't, like, prove that you're a certain color because there are pieces of equipment of the same color or style that give massive power bonuses. Shoot, I hate the way my shoulderpads look. But they give me an int bonus that I can't beat with anything else right now. Stats beat looks. Mobs and Alliance don't care about your sexual orientation. Hell, alliance can't even understand you when you're coming out to them. They just want you dead, and it sure as hell isn't because you're GLBT. So considering all of this, it seems like the only way you'd know that a person is friendly to or is GLBT would be by looking at the text below their name when you see them. Then the discrimination starts. Otherwise? Nothing. Remember, if you will, that by forming a guild that describes itself as GLBT friendly, the GLBT guild itself is making a comment that discriminates them from the rest of the players in a way that will breed further discrimination. That DOES violate the TOS, even if it's in a non-inflammatory way. It's entirely possible to be discriminatory without actually being hateful, and discrimination where it is unnecessary is, no matter what, discrimination. Do it. Argue in favor of the GLBT guild. The community has my support for power whenever they need it. But don't give any grief because you're not raiding dungeons because you're too busy posting on the forums about being a GLBT guild to actually play the game. |
|||
Kasumi-Astra Flurry Since: 11-18-05 From: Sheffield England Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
| ||
| Pride is completely different. Gay people who advertise their pride in-game are in for a heck of a lot of grief, and do deserve a warning. Just mentioning a guild is GLBT friendly does not.
There are many reasons why gay WoW players can benefit from a GLBT guild in WoW, which I have addressed in my post. The simple point is that it's their right to come together and play, but they're unsure exactly what they're able to say and they're not allowed to even mention that their guild is GLBT friendly in-game. You're jumping to conclusions just like many other people were quick to do in the forums. Gay guilds do not discuss sexuality in-game, and the few that exist never have. Please get your facts right, this is a very crucial and sensitive subject  |
|||
|
Cruel Justice I have better things to do. Since: 11-18-05 From: At my house! Last post: 6321 days Last view: 6320 days |
| ||
| Sure, they should be allowed to play all the time regardless of whether or not they brag about being gay. Newbs brag all the time, do we care? No, we simply kill or ignore them. It's just a game and stereotyping is acinine. | |||
Yoronosuku Toss Tortoise Since: 11-17-05 From: Massachusetts is my new home.. Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
| ||
Originally posted by Kasumi-Astra He has his facts right, it seems. I read his post again and he makes the very good point that even mentioning it at all is very unecessary. It is a game, and any unecessary discrimination should be avoided. Okay, so you are GLBT. That's nice. Whether the guild is GLBT friendly or not should not matter, because there is no real reason to even be discussing these kind of things on an online game. If you don't want to be discriminated, theres no need to even let people know in the first place. Ignorance sometimes can be bliss. By advertising a GLBT friendly guild, you acknowledge the presence of these kind of people and that causes people to realises this and possibly discriminate the people who will join this guild. It's just stirring up a bunch of trouble. Here is an idea. I walk in front of a beehive. For intents and purposes pretend the bees can understand language. Now I can be a sworn enemy of the bees, the...bug spray or something! And well, they don't know this because they're behind their hive (in this case, text). Now they would get along ok and have a decent conversation with me, unless I unecessarily mentioned that I was bugspray, then they would hate me. Wow, that example is really, really stupid .__.;; If you are in a place where you know that people are going to discriminate against GLBT people, calling attention to GLBTs is only going to cause trouble. Maybe being banned from the game is very extreme, but it is not necessary. You understand what I mean now? |
|||
Wurl Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6362 days Last view: 6362 days |
| ||
| I don't play World of Warcraft, but are some of the "real hardcore" Christian guilds all like "God Hates Fags, faggot"? | |||
|
Thexare Metal battleaxe Off to better places  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6321 days Last view: 6320 days |
| ||
Originally posted by Yoronosuku Perhaps you didn't know, but this implies that you would have to stay completely silent about the issue just about anywhere in America. And I'd be willing to bet it'd mean similar things in many other countries, too. =/ |
|||
|
Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite.  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6322 days Last view: 6320 days |
| ||
| Grey should've played on an RP or PVPRP server. | |||
|
Yoronosuku Toss Tortoise Since: 11-17-05 From: Massachusetts is my new home.. Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
| ||
Originally posted by Cheveyo ChowilawuOriginally posted by Yoronosuku I probably could have worded that alot better...what I really mean is on a place like that ESPECIALLY, a videogame, where you know it is the largest breeding ground for intolerance due to internet trolls, immature '12 year olds', and other stereotypes of people who act troublesome on the internet, it is probably in your best interest to not mention it. Especially since like its been said, to enjoy the game, you do not need to know the person you are playing with or against's orientation. All you need to know is if they are with you or against you in terms of the game, and any hard feelings towards them relative only to their actions as a character in a game. |
|||
|
Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
| ||
| Did anyone actually read Kasumi's posts?
Wait a second...This is Acmlm's we're talking about. OF COURSE THEY DIDN'T!  |
|||
|
Yoronosuku Toss Tortoise Since: 11-17-05 From: Massachusetts is my new home.. Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
| ||
| I'd like to think that while I DID read all the posts in this thread that I can still be entitled to my opinion in a topic ._.;; Wait a second...This is Acmlm's we're talking about. OF COURSE I CAN'T! |
|||
|
Schweiz oder etwas [12:55] (Dr_Death16); I swear, the word drama needs to be stricken from the dictionary, for I've heard it so many times, it will permanently be imprinted on my brain Since: 11-17-05 From: Kingston, Rhode Island Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
| ||
| I read her posts... I wrote my mininovel because of that.
... >.> |
|||
|
Kasumi-Astra Flurry Since: 11-18-05 From: Sheffield England Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
| ||
| Yoronosuku: The GLBT guilds aren't formed to inform other people of their sexuality. Can you honestly say you've ever seen it in General before? They come together to play with similar people just like every other guild does. Blizzard have even said that they don't mind GLBT guilds, just that they can't talk about it in General. You can argue that it's in our best interests for Blizzard to do this, but then again, would you tolerate someone else who you've never met before defining what you can say in what they think is your best interest? I don't think you would. You can then argue that Blizzard are doing this for the good of the community, but then again they'd be advocating the "don't ask, don't tell" hypocrisy.
I've been accused of bringing politics into a virgin world. The only politics brought into the matter is other people saying what is right and what is wrong for me to say. |
|||
windwaker Ninji i'm not judgemental, i'm cynical Lonely People of the World, Unite! Since: 12-27-05 Last post: 6350 days Last view: 6328 days |
| ||
| Bah, who cares about sexuality when religious guilds are fine. If they're going to ban all guilds that have to do with something political, they might as well ban them too. | |||
|
Wurl Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6362 days Last view: 6362 days |
| ||
Originally posted by Wurl Yeah, because I figure there at least a few Christian guild as I mentioned before. Edit: That's sounds too sarcastic since I'm serious. I'd fix it, but I have sleeping to do. (edited by Wurl on 02-04-06 02:43 AM) |
|||
|
Kasumi-Astra Flurry Since: 11-18-05 From: Sheffield England Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
| ||
| So, Blizz have formally appolgised and reversed the action against the player in question. They have also brought their policy under review. Grats, Blizz!
Thanks also for the Universal Application of WoW for the Mac. 60fps on maximum settings on my iMac Core Duo? Bliss  |
|||
Trapster King Dedede Since: 11-19-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6428 days Last view: 6320 days |
| ||
| Good that they apologized. Itīs more fun when all kinds of people can play together. Except for asshats who only wants to cause trouble. |
| Pages: 1 2 | Add to favorites | Next newer thread | Next older thread |
| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - General Gaming - Blizzard apparently prohibits gay-friendly guilds in World of Warcraft |
| |
